William wrote:
> MISSION STATEMENT: Provide as soon as possible a viable free
> open source alternative to Maple, Mathematica, Magma, and Matlab.
When I read this mission statement, what doesn't come to mind is
trying to convince people who are currently using these applications
to switch to S
is here:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/sage-2.9.1.alpha3.tar
summary:
alpha3:
#668 - Michael Abshoff - numerical noise doctest in calculus.py
#670 - Michael Abshoff - numerical noise doctest in piecewise.py
#924 - William Stein - the matplotlib spkg patches break underlying
fu
On Dec 22, 12:57 am, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, that is how you see Sage, but having a local development
> > environment is something I would see happening sooner or later. Sage
> > should work in a way the users wants it to and for many people that
> > means a local inst
Hi Harald,
I am answering your post last because it will take the most time :)
On Dec 21, 5:18 pm, Harald Schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi, I'm not a developer, just interested in sage, i don't speak for
> the development team - I only wanted to point out that there is this
> unique possi
> On Dec 21, 10:49 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Should we view Sage primarily as software in the traditional sense
> > of a local binary install with a GUI, or as software in the more
> > web-based community sense? I view Sage as being more
> > of the latter rather than the
On Dec 21, 10:49 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Given the impressive success of browser-based
> community software in recent years, ...
> we should focus mainly on how the end result will work, rather than anything
> about the underlying technology.
Yes, i see it the same way
On Dec 21, 10:49 pm, "William Stein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Wow, this is quite a thread! Here's the current version of the evolving
> mission statement I have for Sage:
>
> MISSION STATEMENT: Povide as soon as possible a viable free
> open source alternative to Maple, Mathematic
On Dec 21, 9:44 pm, "Fabio Tonti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to give my point of view: (I'm not taking part in development at
> the moment either)
> A native windows port seems like a good idea, iff there are people
> willing to do it and iff it won't take any ressources from other parts
On Dec 21, 6:27 pm, "Joel B. Mohler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 10:45:06AM -0500, David Harvey wrote:
> > (4) I wonder if it's possible for the Sage foundation to set up a
> > server and buy a small number of windows licenses for remote access.
> > Say like 4 licenses,
On Dec 21, 3:46 pm, David Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Joel B. Mohler wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Friday 21 December 2007 08:42, David Harvey wrote:
> >> I've said it before and I'll say it again: if someone can make
> >> working on windows as easy and legal for me as
Hi noo,
On Dec 21, 6:48 pm, noo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Updated gcc, g++ to 4.2.1. Still failed to build linbox due to gcc
> internal error,
> same as with the 4.1.3. I'll continue to try with yet newer versions
> of gcc.
This sounds like wonky hardware to me, probably memory related. Dur
On Dec 21, 2007 3:01 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2007, at 13:50 , William Stein wrote:
> > On Dec 21, 2007 2:25 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:51 , William Stein wrote:
> [snip]
> >>> That very surprising. This mean
On Dec 21, 2007, at 13:50 , William Stein wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007 2:25 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:51 , William Stein wrote:
[snip]
>>> That very surprising. This means that I can't sit down at my home
>>> computer,
>>> ssh into the UW math departme
On Dec 21, 2007 2:25 PM, Justin C. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:51 , William Stein wrote:
> > On Dec 21, 2007 9:43 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> (cross-posting because the thread originally appeared on sage-
> >> support,
> >> but the topic s
Hi,
Wow, this is quite a thread! Here's the current version of the evolving
mission statement I have for Sage:
MISSION STATEMENT: Povide as soon as possible a viable free
open source alternative to Maple, Mathematica, Magma, and Matlab.
Since all of the above Ma* programs run well on MS Win
On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:51 , William Stein wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007 9:43 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> (cross-posting because the thread originally appeared on sage-
>> support,
>> but the topic seems interesting to sage-devel)
>>
>> As William suggested in the thread
>> http:
Good point Nils - I had completely forgotten that this is the way
integral points used to be found.
John
On 21/12/2007, Nils Bruin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 18, 3:35 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The only implementations I know of are in
> > SiMath (now defunct) a
On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 01:51:37PM -0700, William Stein wrote:
> > * With a site license, accessing Mathematica functionality remotely is
> > permitted so long as the originating computer is eligible to have
> > Mathematica installed under the same site license.
>
> That very surprising. This me
On Dec 21, 2007 9:43 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (cross-posting because the thread originally appeared on sage-support,
> but the topic seems interesting to sage-devel)
>
> As William suggested in the thread
> http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/browse_thread/thread/869d28
Just to give my point of view: (I'm not taking part in development at
the moment either)
A native windows port seems like a good idea, iff there are people
willing to do it and iff it won't take any ressources from other parts
of the project. I'm sure a port would also increase the overall
quality
On Dec 18, 3:35 am, "John Cremona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only implementations I know of are in
> SiMath (now defunct) and Magma, but it has been suggested as a good
> project for a Masters student to reimplement it in Sage, and someone
> might be doing that.
KANT/KASH (http://www.math.
On Dec 21, 2007 10:36 AM, bill.p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John,
> I know about the GPL, but I always like to ask first! :-)
>
> I had downloaded the binary-only version, and found the .spkg file,
> but it's been replaced with a short
> text which says that it's just there as a place-holder.
On Dec 21, 2007 11:27 AM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > What needs to happen to go from 2.9.1.alpha2 to a release
> > > candidate and a release?
>
> Also, we *really* need to update COPYING.txt to reflect the new
> packages.
Yes, for ATLAS and R.
Anyway, I built alpha2 on a bu
> > What needs to happen to go from 2.9.1.alpha2 to a release
> > candidate and a release?
Also, we *really* need to update COPYING.txt to reflect the new
packages.
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ok, sorry about the factor of 100. Ask me if you want to know how the
code works (but it is not easy). I just spent a large number of hours
tracking down an error revealed by valgrind (accessing unintialized
memory) which turned out to be a question of replacing < by <= in one
loop.
John
On 21
(cross-posting because the thread originally appeared on sage-support,
but the topic seems interesting to sage-devel)
As William suggested in the thread
http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/browse_thread/thread/869d28652835e50/85f6a02f7a1d82a8?lnk=gst&q=license+agreement#85f6a02f7a1d82a8
Re #1130: (point counting on elliptic curves)
The current patch contains incorrect code, as discussed earlier.
However the unpatched function now in Sage is mainly fine for prime
fields since it uses either pari or the fancy sea code depending on
the field size. Secondly, for curves defined over
On Dec 20, 2007, at 21:58 , William Stein wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 2007 10:57 PM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 2007 6:24 PM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> As pointed out by Michael Abshoff, it seems like an information leak
>>> to list all the usernames
Updated gcc, g++ to 4.2.1. Still failed to build linbox due to gcc
internal error,
same as with the 4.1.3. I'll continue to try with yet newer versions
of gcc.
In the meantime, I did get a successful build on another system (Intel
Core 2 Quad)
with Ubuntu 7.10 and gcc/g++ 4.2.1. So I have a plac
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Hi,
There are instances in which Sage thinks that a one-dimensional space of
modular symbols is not simple, and it decomposes the space into a
one-dimensional and a zero-dimensional subspace:
sage: C=ModularSymbols(1,14,0,GF(5)).cuspidal_submodule(
John,
I know about the GPL, but I always like to ask first! :-)
I had downloaded the binary-only version, and found the .spkg file,
but it's been replaced with a short
text which says that it's just there as a place-holder.
I've downloaded the full source now, thank goodness I'm on broadband.
Yo
> What needs to happen to go from 2.9.1.alpha2 to a release
> candidate and a release?
>
> -- William
1. I would like to get patches in for all the critical tickets. In
particular, I'd like to see #1366 fixed up.
2. The following tickets could use review:
#1130, #1155, #1371, #1413, #1418, #144
On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 10:45:06AM -0500, David Harvey wrote:
> (4) I wonder if it's possible for the Sage foundation to set up a
> server and buy a small number of windows licenses for remote access.
> Say like 4 licenses, so only four people can be logged in at a time.
> Maybe that's a cos
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Hi,
In response to Harald's and Michael's (very enlightening!) posts, I
want to say a few words about educational use of Sage, from a slightly
different point of view.
I'm teaching mathematics at Colby College, a four-year liberal arts
undergraduate
> >
> > The vast majority of users on the desktop use Windows and do not have
> > access to Linux or OSX.
>
> The vast majority of users on the desktop give a damn of calculating
> anything!! ;)
Well, yes, but all people I know of that use Mathematica use Windows
on the desktop. Those are kinds o
hi, I'm not a developer, just interested in sage, i don't speak for
the development team - I only wanted to point out that there is this
unique possibility of a webinterface which would make it somewhat
easier.
On Dec 21, 1:18 pm, mabshoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
dortmund.de> wrote:
> [begin rant] Wel
On 21/12/2007, bill.p <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John,
> I'm interested in doing some work in this. I've just had a test run
> of
> point-search and would like to look at the source if that's OK.
Of course it is ok -- open source means open source!
> The version of Sage I installed doesn't i
On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Joel B. Mohler wrote:
>> So you mean, the only way to do it is that someone buys some big
>> license from Microsoft which allows multi-user remote access? Pricing
>> is (number of users) * (price per license)?
>
> That is my impression -- I don't know if the price p
On Friday 21 December 2007 09:46, David Harvey wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Joel B. Mohler wrote:
> > On Friday 21 December 2007 08:42, David Harvey wrote:
> >> I've said it before and I'll say it again: if someone can make
> >> working on windows as easy and legal for me as "ssh sage.mat
John,
I'm interested in doing some work in this. I've just had a test run
of
point-search and would like to look at the source if that's OK.
The version of Sage I installed doesn't include the source so I
thought
I'd look on the Sage website, but can't locate it there either.
Am I looking in the w
On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Joel B. Mohler wrote:
>
> On Friday 21 December 2007 08:42, David Harvey wrote:
>> I've said it before and I'll say it again: if someone can make
>> working on windows as easy and legal for me as "ssh sage.math", then
>> I would probably be able to find some time to
On Friday 21 December 2007 08:42, David Harvey wrote:
> I've said it before and I'll say it again: if someone can make
> working on windows as easy and legal for me as "ssh sage.math", then
> I would probably be able to find some time to help out. If this can
> be made to happen then I think
On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:18 AM, mabshoff wrote:
>> But please don't forget, sage is about open source - and windows is
>> the complete opposite.
>
> [begin rant] Well, we support OSX, too, and that isn't exactly Open
> Source either. While Apple itself is somewhat more friendly to the
> Open Source
On Dec 21, 2007 1:18 PM, mabshoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 21, 11:56 am, harald schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 9:39 pm, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > If Michael and others succeed in a native Windows port, needing just
> > > couple hundreds MB
try latex? for help about this command!
works for formulas (attention, x1 is x_{1} .. there was a
discussion ...) and matrices - which are presented in a tab
environment. i don't know if this works for pictures, but this should
not be hard, too.
h
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On Dec 21, 2007 1:35 PM, David Joyner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi:
> I wonder what SAGE developers think of the following idea:
> to include in SAGE some functions which make the
> creation of latex structures easier (for the purpose of
> writing papers, etc). I'm thinking of two things:
> (
Hi:
I wonder what SAGE developers think of the following idea:
to include in SAGE some functions which make the
creation of latex structures easier (for the purpose of
writing papers, etc). I'm thinking of two things:
(a) outputting a tabular environment (with options for
left, center, right justi
On Dec 21, 11:56 am, Jaap Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> William Stein wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 2007 7:30 PM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Sage 2.9.1 alpha2 is out, available at:
>
> >>http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/sage-2.9.1.alpha2.tar
>
> On Fedora 7 32 bits:
H
On Dec 21, 11:56 am, harald schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 9:39 pm, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If Michael and others succeed in a native Windows port, needing just
> > couple hundreds MB, then Sage
> > will be a killer app.
>
Hi,
> But please don't forget,
On Dec 21, 2007 11:56 AM, harald schilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 20, 9:39 pm, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If Michael and others succeed in a native Windows port, needing just
> > couple hundreds MB, then Sage
> > will be a killer app.
>
> But please don't for
On Dec 20, 9:39 pm, "Ondrej Certik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If Michael and others succeed in a native Windows port, needing just
> couple hundreds MB, then Sage
> will be a killer app.
But please don't forget, sage is about open source - and windows is
the complete opposite. Supporting al
William Stein wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2007 7:30 PM, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sage 2.9.1 alpha2 is out, available at:
>>
>> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/sage-2.9.1.alpha2.tar
>
On Fedora 7 32 bits:
William Stein wrote:
> On Dec 19, 2007 12:24 PM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'm teaching linear algebra next semester and plan to use Sage. In
>> trying the "obvious" way to plot a vector:
>>
>> sage: v=vector([1,2])
>> sage: v.plot().show()
>>
>> I get what looks like a step funct
On Dec 21, 2007 1:47 AM, Jason Grout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I ran across the following problem today. In a notebook cell, I have
>
> from sage.plot.plot3d.all import Sphere
> Sphere(1).show()
> plot(x^3,xmin=0,xmax=1).show()
>
> and the plot comes up first and the sphere shows second (on
On Dec 21, 3:30 am, Robert Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sage 2.9.1 alpha2 is out, available at:
>
> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/rlmill/sage-2.9.1.alpha2.tar
>
> Closed tickets:
> alpha2:
> #1064 - Robert Miller - permutation __call__ type check
> #1175 - Michael Abshoff - circula
I ran across the following problem today. In a notebook cell, I have
from sage.plot.plot3d.all import Sphere
Sphere(1).show()
plot(x^3,xmin=0,xmax=1).show()
and the plot comes up first and the sphere shows second (on my 850 Mhz
PIII running ubuntu 7.10). This is confusing, especially when ther
Ondrej Certik wrote:
> On Dec 21, 2007 9:33 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Dec 20, 2007 11:33 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> That was my initial reaction, too. In a closed system, it makes sense --
>>> for the public notebook, it doesn't immediately seem like such a bad t
On Dec 21, 2007 9:33 AM, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 2007 11:33 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > That was my initial reaction, too. In a closed system, it makes sense --
> > for the public notebook, it doesn't immediately seem like such a bad thing,
> > but it
On Dec 20, 2007 11:33 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That was my initial reaction, too. In a closed system, it makes sense --
> for the public notebook, it doesn't immediately seem like such a bad thing,
> but it lends to a scary attack.
>
> Robert makes an account on the public notebook.
>
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