[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-17 Thread Mukund
MySQL gem 2.8.1 supports Ruby 1.9. On Sep 10, 4:40 am, "Ryan Bigg (Radar)" wrote: > Has anyone tried installing the mysql gem from Rubyforge on 1.9? It's stuff > like that that makes people hesitant to switch to 1.9. Projects on Rubyforge > who's owners have long abandoned it. There needs to be

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-15 Thread Jeremy Kemper
Perhaps this could be changed in 1.8.6 itself. Issue a warning if the tag contains a comment. In 1.8.7, raise an error. jeremy On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Will Bryant wrote: > > I'm not arguing that we stick with 1.8.6 for Rails 3.0, I'm pointing > out that there's an upgrade issue that p

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-15 Thread Will Bryant
I'm not arguing that we stick with 1.8.6 for Rails 3.0, I'm pointing out that there's an upgrade issue that people need to be aware of, which is what Yehuda was asking for. Kindly re-read my post. But since you mention it, I can expect them to at least give an error, rather than silently losing

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-15 Thread Jeremy Kemper
Hear, hear! jeremy On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Adam Milligan wrote: > > This comment example is invalid ERB, and is relatively clearly > documented as such.  You can't reasonably expect language providers to > support behavior that they've explicitly declared as invalid, and you > can't re

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-15 Thread Adam Milligan
This comment example is invalid ERB, and is relatively clearly documented as such. You can't reasonably expect language providers to support behavior that they've explicitly declared as invalid, and you can't reasonably expect framework providers to stick with a language version because you've ch

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-13 Thread Will Bryant
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Yehuda Katz wrote: > Finally, Ruby 1.8.7 does not appear to provide backward-compatibility > issues. For instance, WePlay, which has a significant, complex app, had a > lot of trouble porting their app to Ruby 1.9, but basically zero problems > with Ruby 1.8.7. The

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Ryan Bigg (Radar)
Has anyone tried installing the mysql gem from Rubyforge on 1.9? It's stuff like that that makes people hesitant to switch to 1.9. Projects on Rubyforge who's owners have long abandoned it. There needs to be a way for other people to patch gems and submit them and have a team of dedicated people to

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Chad Pytel
> Come on guys, these are all open source projects. If something isn't > working on a newer version, how much work would it be to get it to > work? I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here, but I'll bite. It's very often quite a bit of work. It's even more work to then maintain 1.8.6 and

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Rick DeNatale
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Jeremy Evans wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joris Verschoor wrote: >> >> I think if we don't go to ruby 1.9, ruby and rails will get stuck in a >> similar thing that happened with java 1.2 1.4 and 1.5. > > Certainly, supporting the latest version of rub

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Jason King
On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Jeremy Evans wrote: > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joris Verschoor > wrote: >> >> I think if we don't go to ruby 1.9, ruby and rails will get stuck >> in a >> similar thing that happened with java 1.2 1.4 and 1.5. > > Certainly, supporting the latest version of

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Jeremy Evans
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joris Verschoor wrote: > > I think if we don't go to ruby 1.9, ruby and rails will get stuck in a > similar thing that happened with java 1.2 1.4 and 1.5. Certainly, supporting the latest version of ruby is a good thing. However, forcing people to upgrade their ru

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Joris Verschoor
I think if we don't go to ruby 1.9, ruby and rails will get stuck in a similar thing that happened with java 1.2 1.4 and 1.5. Come on guys, these are all open source projects. If something isn't working on a newer version, how much work would it be to get it to work? just my 2cents On Wed, Sep

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Rick DeNatale
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Jeremy Evans wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Yehuda Katz wrote: >> Hey Jeremy, >> I apologize for the delay. >> The basic idea is that there are a number of issues in Ruby 1.8.6 that are >> simply not going to be fixed > First, thank you very much for

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Jeremy Evans
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Yehuda Katz wrote: > Hey Jeremy, > I apologize for the delay. > The basic idea is that there are a number of issues in Ruby 1.8.6 that are > simply not going to be fixed > (see http://svn.ruby-lang.org/repos/ruby/tags/v1_8_7/ChangeLog for a > complete list), and t

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread dreamcat four
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Luca Guidi wrote: > You can safely use Passenger with Ruby 1.9.1, avoiding REE. I wasn't asking whether you can use Passenger with 1.9.1. I'm talking the about these REE announcements on the passenger (sorry, 'Phusion') website: http://blog.phusion.nl/2009/05/27/r

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Luca Guidi
You can safely use Passenger with Ruby 1.9.1, avoiding REE. - Luca -- lucaguidi.com twitter.com/jodosha --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Core" group. To post to this group, send email

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread dreamcat four
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Chad Pytel wrote: >> The present (not the future) of Ruby it's 1.9.1, honestly don't know >> why the majority (myself included) is still on the old-and-beloved >> 1.8.6. > > Our primary reason is because none of the main hosting services > support 1.9.  EngineYard,

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Chad Pytel
> The present (not the future) of Ruby it's 1.9.1, honestly don't know > why the majority (myself included) is still on the old-and-beloved > 1.8.6. Our primary reason is because none of the main hosting services support 1.9. EngineYard, Rails Machine, etc. all are still on 1.8.6. We ar

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Luca Guidi
The EY team will maintain 1.8.x branch only for security issues, I don't think they will backport all the 1.9.x features. Because it's a non-sense. The present (not the future) of Ruby it's 1.9.1, honestly don't know why the majority (myself included) is still on the old-and-beloved 1.8.6. The "Bi

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-09 Thread Yehuda Katz
Hey Jeremy, I apologize for the delay. The basic idea is that there are a number of issues in Ruby 1.8.6 that are simply not going to be fixed (see http://svn.ruby-lang.org/repos/ruby/tags/v1_8_7/ChangeLog for a complete list), and targeting 1.8.6 means always having to make sure that new features

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-04 Thread Jeremy Evans
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Michael Koziarski wrote: > >> Assuming the community provides patches that allow Rails to continue >> working on 1.8.6, would the core team consider supporting 1.8.6? >> >> To put it another way, if there aren't hard technical problems in >> supporting 1.8.6, why fo

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-04 Thread Michael Koziarski
> Assuming the community provides patches that allow Rails to continue > working on 1.8.6, would the core team consider supporting 1.8.6? > > To put it another way, if there aren't hard technical problems in > supporting 1.8.6, why force 1.8.7 down the community's collective > throat? My understa

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-04 Thread Jeremy Evans
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Michael Koziarski wrote: > > I believe this was discussed in passing in the CI thread? Something > along the lines of Hash#hash in 1.8.6 being a problem for us. > > On another level though, 1.9 is the future of ruby, and 1.8.7 is > expressly intended to be the 1.8.x

[Rails-core] Re: Reasoning for not supporting ruby 1.8.6 in Rails 3.0

2009-09-04 Thread Michael Koziarski
I believe this was discussed in passing in the CI thread? Something along the lines of Hash#hash in 1.8.6 being a problem for us. On another level though, 1.9 is the future of ruby, and 1.8.7 is expressly intended to be the 1.8.x which makes it easier to handle the migration. So preferring 1.9 a