Re: [homenet] draft-baker-rtgwg-src-dst-routing-use-cases-00 in the rtgwg today

2013-11-06 Thread David Lamparter
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 02:39:09PM +, Acee Lindem wrote: > Hi Mark, > I attended and the majority of the discussion centered on whether the > problem could be solved with a simpler model such as a FIB per provider. > Fred pointed out that this would not handle overlapping source subnets and > t

Re: [homenet] draft-baker-rtgwg-src-dst-routing-use-cases-00 in the rtgwg today

2013-11-06 Thread David Lamparter
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:19:27PM -0800, Teco Boot wrote: > Op 6 nov. 2013, om 15:26 heeft Mark Townsley het volgende > geschreven: > >o The routing protocol or mechanism includes a destination prefix, > > which may be a default route (::/0) or any more specific prefix up > > to

dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-20 Thread David Lamparter
Hi rtgwg, freshly submitted & soliciting for feedback are the following drafts: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-routing-extra-qualifiers/?include_text=1 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-dst-src-routing/?include_text=1 These are distilled version of th

Re: dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-22 Thread David Lamparter
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:40:33PM +0200, David Lamparter wrote: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-routing-extra-qualifiers/?include_text=1 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-dst-src-routing/?include_text=1 rtgwg & homenet: So, these draft

Re: dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-28 Thread David Lamparter
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 11:56:59PM +, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > On 10/20/14, 4:40 PM, "David Lamparter" wrote: > > >Last but not least, I'd like to request a slot at the IETF 91 rtgwg > >meeting to present these drafts. > > David: >

Re: [homenet] dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-28 Thread David Lamparter
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 08:52:18AM +1300, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 29/10/2014 02:06, Ole Troan wrote: > > Fred, > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-routing-extra-qualifiers/?include_text=1 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lamparter-rtgwg-dst-src-rout

Re: [homenet] dst/src routing drafts (for IETF-91 rtgwg)

2014-10-29 Thread David Lamparter
[plucking a paragraph from the middle] On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 04:09:15PM +, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > I suspect the company you are discussing might have a number of small > offices in as many cities, and as many PA prefixes as it takes. The > company might also have a PI prefix, but I would

Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-lamparter-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-01.txt

2015-07-06 Thread David Lamparter
t on the "interest"/"need" front of things. Feedback of course very welcome, -David - Forwarded message from internet-dra...@ietf.org - Delivery-date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:34:23 +0200 From: internet-dra...@ietf.org To: David Lamparter , David Lamparter Subject: New

Re: Poll for WG adoption of draft-lamparter-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-01

2015-09-07 Thread David Lamparter
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 06:32:43PM +, Chris Bowers wrote: > If you are listed as a document author or contributor, please respond to this > email stating whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. The response > needs to be sent to the RTGWG mailing list. The document will not advance

Implications of default-only SADR (was: Re: multi-homing for provider-assigned IPv6 addresses)

2016-04-07 Thread David Lamparter
TL;DR: note at end about "abort as unreachable" as alternative way to get rid of complicated backtracking. (Jump to second/last - line.) Hi all, here is another shot at my somewhat confusing (sorry) in-room comment on the policy aspect of limiting to D=::/0. The scenario I'm thinking of i

Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-05.txt

2017-07-19 Thread David Lamparter
t-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > Title : Destination/Source Routing > Authors : David Lamparter > Anton Smirnov > Filename: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-05.txt Unlike -04, this is not a no-change refresh, though it only ext

Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-07-19 Thread David Lamparter
Hello again, rtgwg, Unfortunately (and possibly contradicting earlier statements I may have made to the opposite), the routing system behaviour described in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming-01#section-3 is not compatible with the behaviour described in https:

Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-07-20 Thread David Lamparter
Gah, forgot Cc:s, resending to list so replies will inherit Cc:s (please reply on this one to get the Cc:s) On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 07:29:13PM +0200, David Lamparter wrote: Hello again, rtgwg, Unfortunately (and possibly contradicting earlier statements I may have made to the opposite), the

Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-07-20 Thread David Lamparter
... I should step away from electronical devices, for some reason I'm missing Chris Bowers and Fred Baker again... ___ rtgwg mailing list rtgwg@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtgwg

Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-08-07 Thread David Lamparter
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 07:23:46PM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Jul 27, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Matthieu Boutier wrote: > > > > Did you agree that: > > > > 1. destination first give the correct behaviour as-is. > > > > 2. source first needs extra mechanism and route duplication. > > Actually, I

Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-08-07 Thread David Lamparter
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:16:17AM +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > I must admit that I had always thought that the source-routing paradigm in > draft-troan-homenet-sadr-01.txt was backward with the destination address > Longest Prefix Match (LPM) being done prior to the source address lookup. >

Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-08-07 Thread David Lamparter
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 02:42:59PM +0200, Matthieu Boutier wrote: [snip] > Perhaps having something like the following(?): > > 3. Forwarding tables representations > 3.1. Source Address Dependant Forwarding tables > -> this is just a dump of the announces > 3.2. Source-Prefix-

Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-08-07 Thread David Lamparter
On Mon, Aug 07, 2017 at 11:12:02AM +0200, Matthieu Boutier wrote: > Hi David, > > > It's already there > > I was speaking about rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming. ;-) Oh, sorry, I jumped over because the section numbers were so similar ;-D -David > Thanks by the way for your explanations in your

Re: Persistent loops when mixing rtgwg-enterprise-pa-multihoming and rtgwg-dst-src-routing

2017-08-07 Thread David Lamparter
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 05:55:01PM +, Chris Bowers wrote: > With the proposed generalization of rule #3, together with a clarification > that the source-prefix-scoped > forwarding table should be chosen based on longest source prefix match with > the source address of the packet, > I think we

WGLC on draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing?

2019-07-21 Thread David Lamparter
Hi all, the rtgwg-dst-src-routing draft has been whacked and beaten to death and it seems we've run low on complaints on it, so I think I should ask for WGLC on it. I'm unaware of open issues/comments on it, if you have any I'd appreciate a pointer or retransmission. CPEs doing SADR have been o

Re: draft-llsyang-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-00

2022-07-28 Thread David Lamparter
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 08:02:18AM -0700, Tony Li wrote: > Thank you for re-opening this. > > I will point out that what you’re really hitting on is the known > architectural deficiency of IP: how does a multi-homed network deal > with multiple locators? We’ve discussed this to death previously a

dst-src-routing & introduction-to-semantic-routing

2022-07-28 Thread David Lamparter
Hi all, just to relay Adrian Farrel's mic comment, that was regarding https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-irtf-introduction-to-semantic-routing/ and indeed adding a source lookup is a specific instance of additional routing semantics. Having become aware of that draft only a few minute

Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-revive-01.txt

2024-07-09 Thread David Lamparter
Hi RTGWG, On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 09:18:20AM -0700, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > Internet-Draft draft-ietf-rtgwg-dst-src-routing-revive-01.txt is now > available. It is a work item of the Routing Area Working Group (RTGWG) WG of > the IETF. as it is with "deadline-driven development", I've