Re: open files

2004-02-23 Thread Ville Herva
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:49:37PM -0800, you [Tarun Karra] wrote: > > > I dont know about reparse points but.. I know some thing that works like > this. Probably you guyz know this "St Bernard open file manager". I > installed the trial version of this software on my windows box and > mirrored

Re: open files

2004-02-23 Thread Ville Herva
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 08:13:33PM +0200, you [Ville Herva] wrote: > > So do you reparse points by "backup semantics" or "just" being able to read > every open file (backup capability)? Uh, I meant Volume Shadow Copy (VSC), not reparse points. Apparently, VSC is not available on W2k, only on XP a

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Tarun Karra
hi, > what effect does SAMBA have on RSYNC if do mount and rsync the windows > folder. >Samba has no affect. SMB does :-) The SMB file sharing protocol defintely >passes any locking issues onto the SMB client (Linux in your case) - so if >it's locked under Windows, then it's locked under Linux.

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Tarun Karra
hi, >Well apart from being kludge, there is some merit to the Windows solution. >I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to with "backup semantics", but >I've understood ntbackup.exe on W2k or newer uses reparse points for backing >up files. That way it is not only capable of reading files that

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Jason Haar
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 05:34:48PM -0800, Tarun Karra wrote: > it's ok even if I have to host a rsync server on windows machine and set > it up to backup the open files preliminarily,, The most important thing for > me is *backing up open files*. Then you should definitely look into doing

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Tarun Karra
hi , >Just a note. I think the original poster was *mounting* the Win2K box from >Linux. it's ok even if I have to host a rsync server on windows machine and set it up to backup the open files preliminarily,, The most important thing for me is *backing up open files*. >As su

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Jason Haar
Just a note. I think the original poster was *mounting* the Win2K box from Linux. As such, talking about Cygwin's attempts to use backup operators shouldn't help at all - as that's referring to running rsync *server* under Windows - it won't have any affect on how SMB passes locks to the SMB client

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Jason M. Felice
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 08:13:33PM +0200, Ville Herva wrote: > Hi! > > I had a brief look sometime ago at hacking something like this into rsync, > but I didn't find a C API for reparse points. If you make progress, please > keep me (or rsync mailing list) posted! > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:2

Re: open files

2004-02-22 Thread Ville Herva
Hi! I had a brief look sometime ago at hacking something like this into rsync, but I didn't find a C API for reparse points. If you make progress, please keep me (or rsync mailing list) posted! On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:26:56PM -0500, you [Jason M. Felice] wrote: > > jason:: > > Win32 backup sem

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Jim Salter
Hmmm. It's odd to think that Cygwin always uses backup semantics, because it DEFINITELY fails to process quite a lot of files that the high-dollar win32-native backup utilities can process. My experience has been that cygwin can open (for reading) any file that you can use the GUI to drag-and-

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Jason M. Felice
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 02:19:26PM -0500, Jim Salter wrote: > Jason, this is absolutely great info on the Win32 file locking system > and sounds like a very very interesting patch indeed. > > A quick question, though - how hard would it be to use backup semantics > as a default for an additional

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Jim Salter
Jason, this is absolutely great info on the Win32 file locking system and sounds like a very very interesting patch indeed. A quick question, though - how hard would it be to use backup semantics as a default for an additional mount for the entire filesystem, rather than trying to tack it into

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Tarun Karra
hi jason, >The patch I'm working on will do this. I'm promising people it'll be >done by Monday (I hit a little roadblock in getting Cygwin to cooperate, >hopefully I'll still be able to finish by then). The openfile manager most >definitely uses the backup semantics flag if it can back up ope

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Jason M. Felice
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 08:16:46AM -0800, Tarun Karra wrote: > hi, > > 1) yes iam talking about the suggested "braindamaged windows OS(2000)". Iam trying > to mount the drive from windows to linux and do a local rsync between mounted folder > and a local folder. > 2) What happens when my mount

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Tarun Karra
hi, 1) yes iam talking about the suggested "braindamaged windows OS(2000)". Iam trying to mount the drive from windows to linux and do a local rsync between mounted folder and a local folder. 2) What happens when my mounted folder contains a "OPEN FILE" Does rsync ignore it or does rysnc cras

Re: open files

2004-02-20 Thread Jason M. Felice
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 07:40:14PM -0800, Tarun Karra wrote: > hi guyz, > > One simple question. What does rsync do when it encounters open files. > Do we have to use open file manager(like st bernard) to back up open files or is > there any open source open file manager or can rsync backup open

Re: open files

2004-02-19 Thread Jim Salter
::coughs:: Another way of phrasing that would be to say "If your OS prevents open files from being accessed normally, you need to deal with that at the OS level." And in case you were wondering, yes, Windows is a "brain-damaged" OS in that regard (and many others, but I digress). Under Window

Re: open files

2004-02-19 Thread jw schultz
On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 07:40:14PM -0800, Tarun Karra wrote: > hi guyz, > > One simple question. What does rsync do when it encounters open files. > Do we have to use open file manager(like st bernard) to back up open files or is > there any open source open file manager or can rsync backup open