Re: [Rpy] License Requirements (Was: Is the AGP still making sense ?)

2013-11-29 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/29/2013 5:41 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > you seem to be flailing around, hoping that maybe > there will be some loophole that means the law will work out to be the > way you want? Absolutely not. For one thing, I do not "want" one outcome or another. I just want the project to flourish.

Re: [Rpy] License Requirements (Was: Is the AGP still making sense ?)

2013-11-29 Thread Alan G Isaac
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Alan G Isaac wrote: >> http://www.law.washington.edu/lta/swp/law/derivative.html On 11/28/2013 5:58 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > There's no meaningful legal distinction between static and dynamic > linking. And pretty much everyone agrees t

[Rpy] License Requirements (Was: Is the AGP still making sense ?)

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 3:43 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > This is_embedding_ as RPy2 embeds R from an outer Python application (just > like my RInside project does for C++). I don't think introducing a new, undefined term helps clarify things. For a good discussion see http://www.law.washington.edu/lta/s

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 3:43 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > The rest of the thread is by now mostly pure trolling. Hi Dirk, That is really uncalled for and does nothing to answer the questions I asked, which as I said, were real questions. And if you mean my question to Artur, that was also asked sincere

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 3:09 PM, Artur Wroblewski wrote: > I am in favor of GPL, which will protect my rights > as an user of rpy2 as my own software depends on it. Which user rights do you fear would be lost if RPy were under an LGPL license? Or even under a BSD license? Thanks, Alan --

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 2:24 PM, Artur Wroblewski wrote: > We might have some evidence that this or that license worked well for > a given project, but purpose of a license is to give various groups of people > certain rights. Simple as that. Well, no. Did you read the piece by John Hunter that I posted?

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 1:41 PM, Artur Wroblewski wrote: > GPL was never > designed to bring more contributions to a project. Exactly. Alan Isaac -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organ

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 12:34 PM, Alan G Isaac wrote: > Just to be clear, these are real questions, not attempts at debating points. One other thing. I am not arguing for a particular license. As I do not contribute to RPy, I would consider that presumptuous. I only argue that code creators should m

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 10:18 AM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > Wishing alone does not make the facts go away. RPy / RPy2 still link to R, > and use its headers. Hi Dirk, 1. I'm still not understanding why you refer to the header files? As I said, as far as I know Stallman and the FSF have not changed their

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 8:53 AM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > That the GPL is viral is still a feature and not a bug. Hi Dirk, I do not understand how this statement can be made so broadly, independently of the project goals and idiosyncratic aspects of the project and user community. If a project gets f

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/27/2013 7:58 AM, Luca Beltrame wrote: > I'd prefer strong licenses like the LGPL or the GPL (but I'm an > academic), regardless of which is more "comfortable" for a given community. I am also an academic. I think the implications of my word "comfortable" have been misunderstood. What is "

Re: [Rpy] Is the AGP still making sense ?

2013-11-27 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 11/26/2013 11:35 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > I believe R is dual licensed GPLv2 and GPLv3. So it is > legally possible to take the GPLv3 option and then license > rpy2 as AGPLv3, because GPLv3 has an > exception to make it compatible with AGPLv3. But just > releasing rpy2 with the same (dual) l

Re: [Rpy] rpy on Windows

2009-01-07 Thread Alan G Isaac
On 1/7/2009 5:13 PM Alan G Isaac apparently wrote: > Access to robjects > does not match the documentation Badly put: I should have said that *representation* of robjects does not match the documentation. (And is therefore much less useful.) Alan

[Rpy] rpy on Windows

2009-01-07 Thread Alan G Isaac
I installed rpy using the most recent Windows installers. Testing the installation produces 7 failures (not the 2 suggested in the documentation). Access to robjects does not match the documentation at: http://rpy.sourceforge.net/rpy2/doc/html/introduction.html#the-r-instance Example below. Alan