RE: Negative Uiso in GSAS

2010-03-04 Thread Alan Hewat
Michael Glazer said: > Rietveld refinement (as opposed to single-crystal refinement) is in fact > refinement of degraded data (it is one-dimensional instead of > three-dimensional) and so the errors will be more significant. While I agree with Mike's list, I can't let him get away with such a swee

Re: Negative Uiso in GSAS

2010-03-03 Thread Reinhard Kleeberg
To add some more simple reasons for apparently overmuch high intensity at high angles causing meaningless negative temperature factors: - the low angle peak intensities are suppressed by beam overflow (typically fixed slit Bragg Brentano geometry) - one is using automatic slit data instead of fix

Re: Negative Uiso in GSAS

2010-03-03 Thread Jon Wright
I can't resist adding one more to Mike's excellent list: 5. When peaks overlap strongly it becomes difficult to determine the background level. Negative Uiso is a consequence of the background refining to a value which is too low, especially where the peaks are most dense in the pattern (short

RE: Negative Uiso in GSAS

2010-03-03 Thread Michael Glazer
Negative U's in Rietveld can arise from several causes, so that there is not one single answer. Some of the reasons are 1. The structural model is simply incorrect. 2. High absorption means that the low-angle data are weaker than they should be, or conversely that the high-angle data appear stronge

Re: Negative Uiso in GSAS

2010-03-03 Thread Jean-Gabriel ROQUEFERE
Dear Carolina, I have the answer. It's about the electron cloud of your elements. I'll tell you further tomorrow because I'm at home right now. I speak about this feature in one of my publications. You will have the answer tomorrow, if nobody replies. Best regards. -- Dr. Jean-Ga

Re: Negative Uiso in GSAS

2010-03-03 Thread Goutenoire
As mentioned recently, Their is no physical meaning to have negative thermal agitation factor. It means that at high angle the observed data at upon the calculated. It means that you should put more electron (if you are doing X-Ray diffraction) or more electron or nuclear density in your cryst