RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
One last reassuring word to the users of TOPAS - if I may No open source algorithm under any license comes close to equalling those as implemented in TOPAS and its academic counterpart. This status quo shall remain. In the event that commercial entities are locked out of journals then in the case

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
2 AM To: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code] Alan, > As it stands however the reality of a GNU GPL license is that if a > manufacture wanted to modify and include a program licensed under it in > order to sell a larger manufacturi

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Alan, > As it stands however the reality of a GNU GPL license is that if a > manufacture wanted to modify and include a program licensed under it in > order to sell a larger manufacturing process for commercial purposes then > they would be denied access unless all 10 people who wrote the soft

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
Brian >I personally feel that open source software is usually in the best interests of scientific >methods development. This is a matter of opinion but even if you are right then no one has the right to deny non-publically funded bodies the right to practice science. Science or knowledge

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Alan, > You are right in that open source is good at spreading algorithms but no > one should be locked out by decree. Thus the licensing of software is > critical; the GNU GPL license including Copyleft is not to be confused with > something like Python; from the Python web site: > > "The

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread AlanCoelho
Vincent wrote: "It is a step forward for F/OSS as it acknowledges that open-source code allows to spread a new method better than a closed source. As opposed to, filing a patent - since patents were originally developed to ensure that new methods be available to all." You are right in that open s

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-24 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Alan, > In the original message of Michael Love (forwarded by Jon Wright) it clearly > states: > > Although there are still some small problems, I think that this is a > > big step forward, and certainly an interesting read, if you are > > interested in FOSS and science. > What does "still

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-23 Thread AlanCoelho
ithms written by third parties and the math descriptions accompanied by pseudo code is what I look for - never sour code. Cheers Alan -Original Message- From: Jon Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 24 March 2007 12:21 PM To: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature p

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-23 Thread AlanCoelho
Vincent In the original message of Michael Love (forwarded by Jon Wright) it clearly states: > Although there are still some small problems, I think that this is a > big step forward, and certainly an interesting read, if you are > interested in FOSS and science. What does "still some problems

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-23 Thread Jon Wright
AlanCoelho wrote: Not sure what to make of all this Jon Don't shoot the messenger, I was surprised enough by it to forward it to the list. I guess they imply if you want to keep all implementation details secret you should be patenting instead of publishing? (Patents seems to be free online,

Re: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-23 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
On Saturday 24 March 2007 00:01, AlanCoelho wrote: > I am to believe that scientists prefer to mull over source code rather than > pseudo code and mathematical descriptions. Anyone that knows just a little > about software development would know that source code is the last thing > that one wants t

RE: [Fwd: [ccp4bb] Nature policy update regarding source code]

2007-03-23 Thread AlanCoelho
Not sure what to make of all this Jon I am to believe that scientists prefer to mull over source code rather than pseudo code and mathematical descriptions. Anyone that knows just a little about software development would know that source code is the last thing that one wants to see. How many has