Re: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Matthew Rowles
Warning, anecdote ahead! (and this wasn't the point of my original post...) I get better (flatter difference plot) fits with SRM676A using charged atoms (Al+3, O-2) than I do with neutral. (Co Ka, lab BB diffractometer) https://imgur.com/a/83s1Bpz (sqrt scale) I intend on looking in more depth (

Re: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Peter Y. Zavalij
Brian, That's right. The only reason to use O2- form factor is to model disordered water molecules (e.g. when H atoms cannot be located) since O2- has the same number of electrons as H2O. BTW: I saw somewhere extrapolated form factor for H2O which would be even better for this purpose. Peter ..

Re: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Toby, Brian H.
I am going to make the comment that (A) neutral atom form factors are probably closer to the actual electron distribution in most materials where there is significant covalent bonding (~= almost everything) and (B) even if that were not true, the difference between O, O1- and O2- is probably pre

RE: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Khalifah, Peter
Hi Matt, I include below three references in which we demonstrate the inadequacies of the oxygen form factor used by powder diffraction software (top two refs) and by single crystal diffraction software (last ref). In both the powder and the single crystal work, it was found that there were cl

Re: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Matthew Rowles
Thanks all It looks like fat fingers all around! W&K doesn't contain O2-, does contain O- RR&G _does_ contain O2-, doesn't contain O- (every version of the waasameir data I've found online has this typo, so I'm pretty sure they're all the same file.) Now just to cross-check the data to see if th

AW: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Kern, Arnt
Hello Daniel, hello all! Daniel, you are right. I just obtained the Hovestreydt paper, he actually published a 9 coefficients representation. My apologies! Cheers, Arnt -Bruker Confidential- Von: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr Im Auftrag von Többens, Daniel Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Februar 2023

Re: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Többens , Daniel
Sorry, while complaining about a content-relevant typing error, I made a content-relevant typing error myself. The paper of Rez does contain values for O2-, but not for O1-. Am 21.02.2023 um 09:57 schrieb Többens, Daniel: Hello Arnt, I believe you are probably mistaken. The file at GitHub cit

Re: scattering factor for O2- ?

2023-02-21 Thread Többens , Daniel
Hello Arnt, I believe you are probably mistaken. The file at GitHub cites at the source of most of its scattering factors either the paper of Waasmaier & Kirfel ("New Analytical Scattering Factor Functions for Free Atoms and Ions", D. Waasmaier & A. Kirfel, Acta Cryst. A 95) or the Internation