Re: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread kleeberg
Julian has pointed to an important issue, the particle size in the mixtures. Even when mue of the standard and sample material are in the same magnitude, and even when the particles sizes of both powders powders are known and acceptable small with respect to microabsorbtion, absorbtion contrast

Re: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Mendenhall, Marcus H. (Fed)
Is it really amorphous content, or is there a whole bunch of very fine nanocrystalline stuff or material with a very high defect density that is widening the peak? If the fitter is having trouble matching the peak shape, it may be ascribing a fairly arbitrary portion between amorphous and cryst

RE: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Julian Richard Tolchard
Thinking a little outside of the crystallographic aspects, do you have element analysis data? Either XRF or ICP-MS would give a good guide to the sample composition, and it should match to the composition you are using in the structure model. I find it is worth drying both the sample and spike

AW: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Uwe Kolitsch
> But with some electronic transmission analysis no amorphous is observed. Could the TEM investigation have led to recrystallisation? Have you tried polarised-light microscopy to check the character of the amorphous phase? Cheers, Uwe -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: rietveld_l-requ...@i

AW: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Wörle Michael
Dear François, Maybe you have a strongly disordered system. Depending on the type of disorder and the distribution of diffuse intensity, it can also have an influence on the reflection profile (thermal diffuse scattering). Michael Dr. Michael Wörle Head Small Molecule Crystallography Center Lab

Re: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Jeff Nicolich
It would be useful to have more details. Certain types of materials may be tricky to refine if your measurement range extends beyond where you can visibly see distinct peaks. At higher angles you might have a majority of low intensity overlapping peaks (exacerbated by the addition of an internal st

Re: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Bish, David L
Dear François, I can think of no reason for a correlation between your peak shape and your resultant amorphous content, unless somehow the super-Lorentzian peak shape is not providing accurate intensities. Have you tried your fit with another peak shape or a fundamental parameters approach? I a

Re: Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread Reinhard Neder
Dear François, I've to admit that I am no expert on the quantitative phase analysis. If the analysis suggest 40% amorphous compound, I'd expect that should be clearly visible in the diffraction pattern as a fairly strong, broad maximum with a FWHM of some 7 to 10° (CuKalpha). If you do not see

Hyper-Lorentzian effect on quantitative analysis

2021-03-03 Thread François Goutenoire
Dear Rietveld users, I have some industrial compound presenting a strong hyper-Lorentzian peak shape (eta=1.1 with HighScore). When we calculate the amorphous content after an internal standard addition, the result is 40%. The micro-absorption effect has been minimized (mu of the internal stan