Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Leonid Solovyov
>Instead, I adopted the restraint/constraint system as soon as some >distances went stranges. >Yes, fear, fear to be personnally attacked again that way.   For me restraints are much more frightful ;-(: http://www.google.com/search?q=restraints While for some sort of people they may be thrilling.

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Leonid Solovyov
>The problem with powder diffraction measurements > is that they often leave us information-starved. Certain informational starvation is a feature of any experimental technique and powder diffraction is not a marginal one in this respect. Starvation, however, is not an absolution for artificial

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Leonid Solovyov
>All Rietvelders (included me) are certainly trying > a completely free refinement before to decide or > not to use selected restraints. About "All" I certainly doubt. >Am I especially scrutinized? I feel more and more >uncomfortable about such verifications of everything I do: I believe that o

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Leonid Solovyov
>Likelihood and/or the free R-factor offer routes to choose restraint >weights... I don't exclude a potential possibility for an efficient, reasonable and profitable application of even such dirty tricks as soft restraints. Also I'm sure that a hypothetical opportunity exists for a method of c

Help with parts for of an old Philips 1055/81 goniometer ?

2013-07-31 Thread Alan Hewat
A colleague asks if anyone can help him with the rotating sample compartment of an old Philips 1055/81 goniometer ? He badly needs this part since the company (Panalytical) say they no longer support this very old system. __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics,

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Jon Wright
On 31/07/2013 20:19, Brian Toby wrote: To perform R-free with powder data, one must excise multiple complete peaks from the pattern, say a few sections making up 10-20% of pattern. Hi Brian, It is not so bad, you only need to throw in some peak intensities as variables (a partial Pawley). You

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Brian Toby
Let me pontificate a bit on restraints and on R-free etc. The problem with powder diffraction measurements is that they often leave us information-starved. We just don't get enough data to investigate what we want to learn from the experiment, along with all the things we [think we] already kn

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Armel Le Bail
>The problem of having jammed the wrong molecule > into a unit cell can be identified by restraints which > are violated. With rigid bodies it is more difficult to > find out what the data are trying to tell you. Is this >wrong molecule issue the problem you fear? I prefer resolving such proble

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Jonathan WRIGHT
On 31/07/2013 17:25, Leonid Solovyov wrote: One can make everything "OK" simply by choosing an "appropriate" weight of restraints. The uncertainty in the restraint's weight appropriateness makes every restrained refinement a "know how". Likelihood and/or the free R-factor offer routes to choose

LANSCE School on Neutron Scattering Geosciences & Materials in Extreme Environments

2013-07-31 Thread Llobet Megias, Anna
LANSCE School on Neutron Scattering Geosciences & Materials in Extreme Environments http://lansce.lanl.gov/neutronschool October 16-25, 2013 Lujan Neutron Scattering Center, Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos New Mexico The 2013 LANSCE School on Neutron Scattering will focus on outstandin

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Leonid Solovyov
>input restraint: C(sp3) to C(sp3) distance ~ 1.54 >output distance: 1.54 -> OK >output distance: 1.4x -> Could it be sp2-sp2 or a wrong atom assignment? One can make everything "OK" simply by choosing an "appropriate" weight of restraints. The uncertainty in the restraint's weight appropriatenes

Re: [sdpd] Re: Are restraints as good as observations ?

2013-07-31 Thread Jonathan WRIGHT
On 31/07/2013 03:07, Leonid Solovyov wrote: ... There is a widely scattered belief that restraints always improve not only the restrained values, but also the “unrestrained” part of structure such as intermolecular distances, orientations, planarity etc. Apart from your word "always", I certai