Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Van der Lee
After having purchased the set of 0.02 soller slits in Dec. 03 I have done some comparison tests on the (111) silicon peak under identical conditions except for the change of the primary and secondary sollers: background Bpeak height PH 0.0295 8580 0.04

Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Jon Wright
Alan Hewat wrote: Even if you have a low profile R-factor (due to a high background and a low resolution pattern) the calculated standard deviations in parameters can still be large, which gives me confidence in Rietveld refinement :-) I hoped the values of esds come out similar to the ones put

RE: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Leonid Solovyov
Dear Mike, Normally, changing sollers must not influence the signal/background ratio. Wider sollers, however, make the primary beam wider and if the sample diameter is small then a parasitic scattering from the sample holder edges may appear. I am really surprised that moving from 0.04 Soller sli

Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Alan Hewat
Jon Wright said: > a high background is a fine addition to any instrument; it > gives a much lower profile R-factor. This tells us something about the > value of the profile R factor, I think ;-) A low resolution pattern is also easier to fit :-) The profile R-factor is certainly not an absolute

Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Jon Wright
Alan Hewat wrote: Many theoretical arguments about signal/noise forget that the experimentalist has a finite time to collect his data :-) The finite time to analyse and publish can also be rate limiting! In this respect a high background is a fine addition to any instrument; it gives a much l

RE: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Alan Hewat
As Mike implies, for a given counting time, you have much better statistics using the high intensity configuration. This can be true even when the signal to noise ratio is actually lower with the high intensity configuration. So signal/noise is not everything. That said, there is no point in reduc

RE: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Lubomir Smrcok
IMHO, plenty of "counter" problems have their roots in the past. When the first GM counters were used in powder diffractometry the apparatus (both electronics & math) was taken directly from the field of \alpha-particles physics. Because \alpha-particles are rather rare (events), people used

RE: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Michael Glazer
How do you define signal to noise in powder diffraction? I have seen this term used several times, but I have not found a definition so far with regard to powder diffraction per se. I have just done two runs on a Panalytical one with 0.04 soller slits and one with 0.02 (both with a CuKa1 premon

Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Van der Lee
Leonid Solovyov wrote the following on 18/02/2008 16:27: Yes it is mainly down to the Soller slits, there was a very large thread on soller slits somewhere in the Rietveld archives about this discussion. I think the down side of changing the soller slits is a move away from the optimum FWHM that

Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread Leonid Solovyov
> Yes it is mainly down to the Soller slits, > there was a very large thread on > soller slits somewhere in the Rietveld archives > about this discussion. I think the down side of > changing the soller slits is a move away from the > optimum FWHM that can be obtained? Changing sollers from 0.04 r

Re: advice on new powder diffractometer

2008-02-18 Thread William Bisson
Yes it is mainly down to the Soller slits, there was a very large thread on soller slits somewhere in the Rietveld archives about this discussion. I think the down side of changing the soller slits is a move away from the optimum FWHM that can be obtained? Quoting Leonid Solovyov <[EMAIL PROTEC