Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Alexander Sicular
I'm not dancing on anyone's grave. Im a big fan of Riak, you know? I'm just pointing out that there is in fact a grave and if there is any hope for a Riak future the project will have to rebrand. I'm sorry, but no company in their right mind would seriously consider using Riak today if they we

Re: Riak community

2017-07-14 Thread Neil Visnapuu
Considering the fact that 99% of all meaningful development is living in Github, pretty sure Riak as a framework gonna be fine. Like national security fine. As a recipient of Basho sales full court press and MD on a Mongo devoted platform, Riak is probably more interesting to me now, than it was

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Outback Dingo
i see 0 issue with simply renaming the project, its still the same software under the hood.. it cant be that hard to create an open source fork under a different name and carry forward On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 6:43 PM, wrote: > Perhaps we can get overview of legal issues and options here: > >

Riak community

2017-07-14 Thread Lloyd R. Prentice
If I'm reading this correctly, there are some 300 forks of Riak core and 800 stars: https://porter.io/github.com/basho/riak_core Riak Wikipedia tells us: Notable users include AT&T, Comcast,[9] GitHub,[9] Best Buy,[9] UK National Health Services (NHS),[10] The Weather Channel,[11] and Riot Gam

What rights do companies and developers have re: Basho Technology products given demise of Basho and current lawsuit?

2017-07-14 Thread lloyd
Hello, Basho Technologies, founded in 2008, has developed over the years a cutting-edge suite of distributed computing products under the Riak name distributed as open source under the Apache 2 license. Unfortunately, Basho Technologies seems to have closed their doors with investors and found

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread lloyd
Perhaps we can get overview of legal issues and options here: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/services/ Best, Lloyd -Original Message- From: "Russell Brown" Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:30pm To: "Dave King" Cc: "Senthilkumar Peelikkampatti" , "riak-users" Subject: Re: Is Riak dead?

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Russell Brown
On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:36, Dave King wrote: > You asked what difference the tm made. The tm invokes clause 6. So yes it > means moving forward means a new name. That's one of the things to be > considered. Agree, so if we’re sticking to the subject, “Is Riak dead?” the worst case is: “N

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Dave King
You asked what difference the tm made. The tm invokes clause 6. So yes it means moving forward means a new name. That's one of the things to be considered. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King wrote: > > > No, but I can

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Russell Brown
On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:28, Dave King wrote: > No, but I can read. I read it too. I’m not sure what your point is. A day may come when the name has to change? > > - Peace > Dave > > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King wrote: > >

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Dave King
No, but I can read. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King wrote: > > > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade > names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except > as

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread lloyd
Hello,   Rackspace email has had serious issues, so I must have missed Alexander's latest post. But thanks to Russell's post, here are a few thoughts on several of Alexander's points:   I've never used slack and have minimal experience with IRC, but would be happy to adapt to any forum that woul

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Dave King
6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade names, trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except as required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of the Work and reproducing the content of the NOTICE file. So At minimum I read t

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Russell Brown
On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:26, Dave King wrote: > 6. Trademarks. This License does not grant permission to use the trade names, > trademarks, service marks, or product names of the Licensor, except as > required for reasonable and customary use in describing the origin of the > Work and reproducin

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Russell Brown
On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:17, Dave King wrote: > Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. > http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html They sure do. And if you look at the Apache2 license you’ll see that it grants use of the name to identify the source. Look, I’m not a lawyer, and I’m guess

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Russell Brown
On 14 Jul 2017, at 23:08, Alexander Sicular wrote: > > >> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown wrote: >> >> What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open >> source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 >> licensed database, plea

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Dave King
Looks like Basho has the trademark on Riak. http://www.trademarkia.com/riak-77954950.html - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Alexander Sicular wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown wrote: > > > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licens

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Alexander Sicular
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32, Russell Brown wrote: > > What do you mean “encumbered”? Riak is the name of an Apache2 licensed open > source database, so it can continue to be used to describe that apache 2 > licensed database, please don’t spread FUD. You willing to invest time in a project t

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Dave King
Just FYI: I know one Apache Foundation Project that had to change it's name when it wanted to leave the foundation. - Peace Dave On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Russell Brown wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular wrote: > > > I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about start

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Russell Brown
On 14 Jul 2017, at 17:26, Alexander Sicular wrote: > I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel > and take it from there… What’s wrong with the existing IRC channel? > > Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it is > now: Grow? Surely

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Alexander Sicular
I love your enthusiasm Lloyd. How about starting with a slack channel and take it from there... Things that would kinda need to happen for Riak to grow beyond where it is now: - complete rebranding. Basho is dead. The term "Riak" may be encumbered. - new everything. name. domain. github repo. bla

Re: Is Riak dead?

2017-07-14 Thread Gokhan Boranalp
Hi all, I think it is better to wait for a while as Russel pointed a legal issues. We also would like remark our support to Riak as a company. We are ready to put coding/documentation/hosting etc. effort after all things settled. Cheers On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 4:06 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > > >