[RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Carl Adams
Hello Wrenches, I have a site which is experiencing nuisance disturbance of the computer UPS systems at the site. The site owner "suspects" this is due to the PV system which is a 50 kW system using 6 SMA SunnyBoy inverters. The nuisance disturbance is a clicking noise in the UPS units. The dis

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread RE Ellison
How about disabling one inverter at a time when the disturbances are happening? That might narrow it down to it being a single inverter. Through the process of elimination you may be able to find out if it is a single inverter or a combination of inverters that makes it do it. It might be a spe

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Ray Walters
Is it possible that the inverters are raising line voltage high enough to make the UPS respond by clicking, but not high enough to have them actually trip? I'm not familiar enough with UPS control structure, but it might run a quick test (the click) when the voltage gets close to its high volt

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Glenn Burt
I wonder if the UPS is grumbling about high voltage as the inverters push back current... Glenn -Original Message- From: "Carl Adams" Sent: ‎8/‎4/‎2014 10:29 To: "RE-wrenches" Subject: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters Hello Wrenches, I have a site which is experienci

[RE-wrenches] Ct Utility test requirement?

2014-08-04 Thread Allen Frishman
Wrenchers, The Ct Utility company CL&P requires the following as part of the verification test. "Because this is a three-phase service, the witness test must also demonstrate that the inverter shuts down upon loss of each individual phase" Any recommendations on how to do this test safely? Al Fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ct Utility test requirement?

2014-08-04 Thread Rebekah Hren
Al, I have witnessed this test in NC several times, but with medium voltage connected systems, not systems connected to a building service. A medium voltage subcontractor used a disconnect stick to open one phase at a time at the fused cutout point of delivery to the distribution network (on the h

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Carl Adams
Bob, Ray, Glenn, Thanks for the responses. We could cycle through the inverters and see if it is one, or some combinations of inverters, which is causing the problem. This results in a minimum of 6 trials. If it is a combination of inverters many more. Any feedback on the idea of monitoring t

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Mac Lewis
Hello Carl, The egauge may be a good monitoring unit for this application. You can monitor 12 CT's at a time, and everything is time-stamped. The egauge is actually its own server, so it can be monitored remotely or on a site computer on the same network. It can give you power factor, phase vol

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Glenn Burt
I would look up the specs on the UPS and see if it has a buck feature. Then see if you can identify what this voltage level is. >From there you can use a dmm to check voltage at the input to the UPS with the >inverters off, then on a high output day to see if this is an issue. Good luck! Glenn

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
Is it possible that the UPS issue is raised voltage, causing the UPS voltage regulator to switch settings? A large amount of solar on a circuit can raise the voltage in the system at full sun. I would rent a Fluke Energy Analyzer and leave it in place for a number of days to see how the voltage, cu

Re: [RE-wrenches] UPS disturbance with SMA Inverters

2014-08-04 Thread Jerry Shafer
It would be good to put a volt meter at the input to the UPS confirm input voltage is within range at the time there is an issue. If volts are high there is a problem between that location and as far as the transformer. A scope would help to see noise on the AC side but an old AM radio may do the s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ct Utility test requirement?

2014-08-04 Thread Jerry Shafer
If you using a AC disconnect shut off power to it install a jumper on two of the legs just testing once inverter is back on line pull the switch and see what happens. Swap jumper location and tetest, once you tesy all legs remove jumper wires. On Aug 4, 2014 7:43 AM, "Rebekah Hren" wrote: > Al, >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ct Utility test requirement?

2014-08-04 Thread Chris Mason
If you are using a load center to aggregate the inverter outputs, swap the 3 pole breaker for three single poles. Hopefully you can demonstrate only one inverter works. If the UL listing tests and certifies for this, why do they need to do it in the field? Next they will want you to set up a full l