Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Dave Palumbo
We have a potential client for a net metered PV with battery backup system with a serious interest in using lithium ion storage batteries. I do not know of any systems that have used these batteries yet. From some quick calcs I come up with 105 LiFEYPo4 3.2 volt cells. 7 strings of 15 cells for 700

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Dan Fink
Dave; The way modern high-performance electric vehicle manufacturers are able to wrest such awesome performance out of Lithium batteries of any type is by using extremely sophisticated battery management systems (BMS). Per-string and per-cell monitoring *and* control is not uncommon, and temp

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
your numbers sound to good.  My limited to one experiance is $15,000 for 10 kWh you are talking 33600 kWh for same money.  The local people who are putting 5 kWh in to preius cars are $5,000 for 5kWh   both of these setups have elaborate battery managment systems.  One of my competors puts 10 kW

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Ray Walters
I've been following the Li+ for a while, and the word is that the Chinese made Li+ reliability is not quite there yet. About half of your EV parts distributors carry them and half don't. I'm close to trying them on my next EV project, but I can't imagine why you would try them on a project that