Re: [RE-wrenches] Overcurrent Protection on a Subpanel

2010-04-05 Thread Dave Click
One could interpret that if you have 6 or more inverter breakers getting combined in a panel, you'd want one main breaker so that you wouldn't have to turn off all ten individually to disconnect the system. Something else to ask the AHJ. Peter Parrish wrote: When we use a sub-panel to combine

Re: [RE-wrenches] Overcurrent Protection on a Subpanel

2010-04-05 Thread Hans Frederickson
Since Peter is talking about a subpanel, we can assume that it is not the main service for a building/structure, and would not be subject to the disconnect requirements of NEC articles 225 and 230. In general, as long as the subpanel is in the same building or structure as the main service, it is n

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-05 Thread jay peltz
Since the topic of AFI's has come up I wonder if anyone has actually tested one, even an AC one. From what I've read from some tests on the Mike Holt site for AC breakers is that they couldn't get them to work at anything less than standard ISC for the breaker. thanks, jay peltz power On A

[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-05 Thread R Ray Walters
Here's the latest comments from my customer on this. Seems to be just a problem under reduced array output. Thanks again for everybody's valuable input. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer Begin forwarded message: > From: "Roger L. Johnson" > Date: April 5, 2010 9:02:03 AM MDT > To: Ra

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need 5 Astropower modules or equivalent

2010-04-05 Thread SOLARPRO
Good Luck. pat In a message dated 4/2/2010 6:09:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, joel.david...@sbcglobal.net writes: Wrenches, I need 5 Astropower (or GE) APX-140 or equivalent 36-cell modules to replace customer's broken modules. Please contact me off-list. Thanks in advance. Best regards

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Higgins
Here is a bit more on how RE-BULK and RE-FLOAT interact with the ABSORB timer. All battery voltages are default and are given as 12VDC nominal, multiply by 2 for 24V and 4 for 48V systems. All of the following is true for grid-tie GV or GT FXs only. Definitions: BULK - Constant high current inc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-05 Thread R Ray Walters
Thanks very much Steve; I still have 2 questions: does the temp sensor control all voltage set points or just absorption and float voltage? 2) I'm still a little confused about the absorption time, and refloat, rebulk features. for instance, what is the difference between refloat and rebulk? A

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-05 Thread R Ray Walters
I think the 100% rating exception is an interpretation issue. I consider the assembly to be defined as the breaker mounted in its listed enclosure. I agree that the AFIs would add cost, but they might actually offer some protection too. (possibly one AFI unit could offer protection for multiple

[RE-wrenches] Voltage degradation

2010-04-05 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Esteemed Wrenches, How much voltage overhead should we have available on our arrays to allow for inverters not to fall out of their DC voltage operating range? Since the module power degradation is 20% over the warranty period, I usually shoot for a module voltage that can drop 20% and still

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-05 Thread Steve Higgins
Sell RE and Refloat are not Temp Compensated, Absorb, Float Voltages and EQ are temp Compensated. Older Grid tie inverters using firmware revision 75 utilized temperature compensated voltage with the Sell RE, but new versions such as 76 and above don't. "2)What is the difference between

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-05 Thread William Miller
Ray: It is my analysis that combiner breakers (if present) will protect only wiring upstream of the combiner -- that is, the individual string circuits. This protection would happen if there is a fault in one individual string (in the wiring or the modules) that allows current from other str

[RE-wrenches] Fwd: Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-05 Thread R Ray Walters
Ah, now we might be on to something. If float voltage is temp compensated, and sell voltage is not, at cold temps we could see the sell voltage go below float voltage, which can cause "strange things to happen" as Steve mentioned in an earlier email. Thanks, Ray Begin forwarded message: > Fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage degradation

2010-04-05 Thread jay peltz
HI Drake, Its unlikely that all of the wattage degradation of the module would be in volts only. In conversations I've had with experts, most numbers appear to be 1/2 volts and 1/2 amps. But if you can get your modules to get a 20% over there is no draw back except a small % efficiency loss fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-05 Thread jay peltz
HI Steve, Is there a logic to the change between < 75 and 76> regarding loss of temp comp for Sell RE? thanks, jay peltz power On Apr 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Steve Higgins wrote: > Sell RE and Refloat are not Temp Compensated, > Absorb, Float Voltages and EQ are temp Compensated. > > Older Gr

[RE-wrenches] ground fault troubleshooting

2010-04-05 Thread Tom DeBates
hello Wrenches,   We recently had an interesting (amusing?) experience that I thought might be worth sharing and to get some feedback.   I received a call from a fellow contractor that had a ground fault in his PV system (Wattsun DA tracker, 24 Siemens (Shell?)110, 1 string, Sunny Boy 2500). The

[RE-wrenches] Need 7 modules (was Astropower)

2010-04-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Wrenches, Pat's right. It's unlikely that any Astropower APX-140 or APX-130 modules are laying around. I can use 7 matching 36-cell modules rated around 15.7 Vmp and 8 amps. Please contact me off-list. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Joel Davidson - Original Message - From: solar..

Re: [RE-wrenches] ground fault troubleshooting

2010-04-05 Thread Bill Brooks
Tom, Your dc clamp-on meter would have saved you from removing a conductor that had current on it. It is likely a lightning event caused the LA602 to do its job-thus the cracked case. The dc clamp-on meter would have shown the current flowing into the SOV and on to ground. Bill. From: r