Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-16 Thread Bruce Geddes
Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteriesHi Hugh. Positive electrode: PbO2 + 3H +HSO4 + 2e = PbSO4 + 2H2O (e= electron) Negative electrode: Pb + HSO4 = PbSO4 + H +2e Sorry, I can't insert the superscript symbols to show electrical charge. If it is confusing let me know and I will repost

Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-16 Thread Hugh
Hi Bruce, At 22:58 +1300 16/1/10, Bruce Geddes wrote: in cold weather the money counters operate more slowly and if the temperature rises they return to normal speed. The money is still there, Yes but if that is the case then the actual capacity is not affected by temperature - just th

[RE-wrenches] enphase and racks

2010-01-16 Thread North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
Wrenches, The front page of the vol 2 #12 issue of Solar Industry magazine is a very candid article on micro inverters, primarily the Enphase. Enphase input directed at installers may differ from their peer review simply because other inverter mfgrs can dissect and test their competitors products t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase 210s

2010-01-16 Thread Marv Dargatz
And Sunpower.  But, they're not on the list http://www.enphaseenergy.com/downloads/Enphase_Module_Compatibility_List.pdf because Sunpower has not officially endorsed their use with Enphase. We should probably take any further discussion off list. See ya! Marv 707 763-4784 x7016 Marco Man

Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi Hugh I am copying you and wrenches as some of my posts have not shown up. The way I look at it is: A charged battery has some number of molecules of Ions? each carry 2 electrons. That is you store of Amp-hours, 6.25x10^18 electrons make 1 amp-sec. Now at rest and 25 C the electrons want to

Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-16 Thread Joel Davidson
Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteriesA battery is an open system. Heat is lost. 2nd law of themodynamics. See http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/mod_tech/node70.html - Original Message - From: Hugh To: RE-wrenches Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wre

[RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-16 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
I'm reading a piece on energy storage in the latest issue of Distributed Energy mag. The writer, Lyn Corum, repeatedly refers to the capacity of storage mediums (thermal, compressed air, flywheel, battery) in kW and MW terms. Heck, even my friends at Beacon Power refer to their flywheel sys

Re: [RE-wrenches] discharging Rolls batteries

2010-01-16 Thread Hugh
OK I have been studying the literature list given me by Joel. I did study all of this theory stuff back in the 1970s when I first got into this stand-alone windpower stuff, but it was good to go over it again, especially with my new enquiry. I also have three fairly clear personal answers to

Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-16 Thread Marv Dargatz
Marco, You are right on with your observation.  It is extremely frustrating when "industry experts" in a technical industry use the wrong technical terms. rant ON Another example; the improper use of "panel" when the intended meaning is "module".  Check 690.2 for the definitions.  Just wait

[RE-wrenches] EnPhase/Racking Best Fit

2010-01-16 Thread solarepiphany
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Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
H Marco Yes both terms are important, but most of the time they are looking for power during the time it takes to fire a peaking plant generator. It may take 10 to 15 seconds, Also one of the big uses of storage for utilities is frequency stabilization, it is desirable to supply and absorb grea

Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-16 Thread Dan Fink
Hello Marco. No d'oh! Your assessment is correct; you can't store kilowatts of power, you *can* store kilowatt hours of energy. Author Lyn Corum might have slipped up a couple times in there and dropped an 'h' from the kw, but maybe not -- because when storing energy on a utility scale, the eng