Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-21 Thread Chris Sparadeo
Hi Jay, Don’t forget to check at the inverter. As you probably know, VFXs come with a ground-neutral bonding jumper at the AC terminals on the unit. If this issue is not happening in bypass mode or normal inverter mode without Gen input, then it could be possible that there is a bond both at gener

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-20 Thread Jay
Hi Dave I’ve already suggested that. However the house hasn’t finished final sign off due to C19 and gross incompetence from the county process, so it’s not possible, yet. It’s entirely possible that at least part of the issue could be poor quality GFCI or good quality and overly sensitive.

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-20 Thread Ray
I second Dave's comment on trying different GFCIs.  Definitely had some that wouldn't work correctly with generator/ inverter systems. I'd take 2 or 3 other choices. Otherwise your check list looks like the way to proceed.  We always love to hear back what you find. Ray Walters Remote Solar

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-20 Thread jay
Chris Worcester > ch...@solarwindworks.com > 530-448-9692 > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9. > > > Original message > From: William Miller > Date: 12/19/20 6:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI > > Fri

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-20 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
One way to troubleshoot this is by elimination. The genset would be a start. The GFCI itself. I have had to switch from the contractor grade GFCI to a quality make in new construction. Since this is new I would make sure on the AC panel, critical loads like the house pump or fire pumps and refri

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-19 Thread Chris Worcester
It might be worth checking the brushes if it is an older unit. Chris Worcester  chris@solarwindworks.com530-448-9692Sent from my Samsung Galaxy s9. Original message From: William Miller Date: 12/19/20 6:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] generator

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-19 Thread William Miller
Friends: I have seen THD on the voltage waveform trip GFIs and AFCIs. The case where this happened was during gen run periods. AC to DC converters can be brutal in regards to generating distortion and sending it to loads. I am out in the shop away from the manuals, but check if these FX invert

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-19 Thread Jay
Hi Ray I will have to triple check, but even if it’s yes. How does that explain the time differences? If it was a neutralground loop, then why not it tripping everything right away? That’s why I was thinking it’s related to the control board in the generator? Jay > On Dec 19, 2020, at 5:10

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-19 Thread Kent Osterberg
Jay, Agree with Ray that two neutral ground bonds can cause strange behavior. But the timing near the end of the charge cycle makes me wonder if the issue is related to one inverter shutting down the charger before the other. The VFX 3648 charger mode is a terrible load and will cause weird o

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-19 Thread Darryl Thayer
The way a GFCI operates is by comparing the line current and the neutral current inside the device. If some of the neutral current is returning through a ground circuit instead of the neutral the imbalance will trip the device. The generator neutral and the inverter neutral must have a common neu

Re: [RE-wrenches] generator tripping GFCI

2020-12-19 Thread Ray
Is it possible that neutral is bonded to ground in the generator?  I've found lots of multi-bonded neutrals over the years, and had it cause all sorts of weirdness. Ray Walters Remote Solar 303 505-8760 On 12/19/20 5:33 PM, jay wrote: HI All, I have a client with a older Kohler 8-10kw genera