Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-19 Thread Glenn Burt via RE-wrenches
As does Watteredge.-GlennSent from my 'smart'phone, so please excuse typos and spelling errors.-- Original message--From: William Miller via RE-wrenchesDate: Tue, Sep 19, 2023 2:09 PMTo: RE-wrenches;Cc: William Miller;Subject:Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BBStorm Copper has tables. William Mi

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-19 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Storm Copper has tables. William Miller Miller Solar.com 805-438-5600 www.millersolar.com On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:13 AM Jay via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Thx Michael > > How do you calculate buss bar size? > Is there a specific formula or table I can find? > >

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-19 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches
For a general rule of thumb, I use NEC 366.23 "ampacity of conductors in sheet metal gutters". For anything large or needing inspection, I have my electrical engineer design the bussing as he will factor energy density and temperature rise across the bussing. It's pretty straightforward for DC buss

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-19 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
Thx MichaelHow do you calculate buss bar size?Is there a specific formula or table I can find?ThxJayOn Sep 18, 2023, at 5:15 PM, Michael Morningstar wrote:I've been making gutter bus wireways that run the length of batteries and inverters allowing for exact lengths of cables. I think I posted a p

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-18 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches
I've been making gutter bus wireways that run the length of batteries and inverters allowing for exact lengths of cables. I think I posted a picture of an exceptionally large one. 24' long. I'm looking at the rack mounted set up because the bussing and cabling is done. 3 racks of 6 5kwhr batteries.

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-18 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
Sounds like a good design. As a tangent question to 13 parallel batteries, such as you’ll need Michael. How are people wiring larger numbers of lithium batteries together in parallel?Massive buss bars which I’m not sure how to do in a code compliance way. Or Not worrying about different cable lengt

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-18 Thread Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches
Jay, I'd like to design for 60kw supply and 100kWh battery. I think I'm going to try the Discover rack mount set up rather than AES's and custom bussing. Jason, That's exactly what I was thinking, if I go the Sol-Ark route. Last time I ordered custom panelboards like that, they were six months out.

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-18 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
If 40kw is the peak and then there are new added loads, what 50-60kw?  If it was me I’d be designing the inverters to handle the 50/60 kw with future expansion capabilities beyond that. Then how much kWh of storage are you going to need or maybe are planning for?At some point maybe looking at a lar

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-18 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
I like the Sol-Ark idea having had a few dual-unit successes recently. In terms of combining them, the Sol-ark manual has a good triple unit wiring diagram on page 53. You would have to use two 400A panelboards with three 200A breakers for each to follow this diagram. However, I don't see the point

Re: [RE-wrenches] GT w/ BB

2023-09-18 Thread Peter Giroux via RE-wrenches
Michael Great questions. We have had great success with the Sol-Arks, starting with the 8’s. Have completed several with twin 15’s and the systems have been great. There was a software/ firmware issues when they first came out. Having spent years installing AC coupled systems ( though