Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-02 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
8:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! Yes, I've had a 48 v system survive a dead cell (Outback inverter), but 24 or 12 v systems are done. So I guess the Sunnyboy can go down to 42 V? R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Dec 1,

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-02 Thread Darryl Thayer
her, Starlight Solar > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! > To: "RE-wrenches" > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 11:41 AM > If the 180 watt panel will provide > enough current to run the recovery process, then give it a > try. What I expect

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-02 Thread Tump
? -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of R Ray Walters Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:20 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! Yes, I've had a 48 v s

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
SMA specifically says they can go to 42V. This is a link to the SI5048 Installation and Instruction Manual: http://download.sma.de/smaprosa/dateien/7995/SI5048U-TUS091012.pdf It is a 6 Meg. file. See page 92. Vaseline & lead. I have observed what may be lead oxide on battery terminals. It's grey

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread R Ray Walters
Yes, I've had a 48 v system survive a dead cell (Outback inverter), but 24 or 12 v systems are done. So I guess the Sunnyboy can go down to 42 V? R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Dec 1, 2009, at 3:41 PM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > I believe the Sunny Island 5048 can be configure

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
I believe the Sunny Island 5048 can be configured to remain "online" with up to three cell failures. (Page 90, Sunny Island Manual). Of course, it is a 48 volt inverter. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: I used to think that one string was optimal; until I had a single cell failure ta

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread wind...@wind-sun.com
sday, December 01, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! I used to think that one string was optimal; until I had a single cell failure take out an entire system for weeks. (try operating a 24 v system at 22v! ) I now think that 2 parallel string

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread R Ray Walters
e inverter connection point and leaving the series strings > physically isolated from one another. > > > From: wind...@wind-sun.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:28 AM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! > > You go

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread R Ray Walters
I used to think that one string was optimal; until I had a single cell failure take out an entire system for weeks. (try operating a 24 v system at 22v! ) I now think that 2 parallel strings is optimum, 3 is OK, and 4 is max. At 4 parallel strings, we start spending more time looking to make sur

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Elliot
ng buss bars as parallel connections and the inverter connection point and leaving the series strings physically isolated from one another. From: wind...@wind-sun.com Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:28 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! You gotta w

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread wind...@wind-sun.com
un.com/ForumVB/ .. - Original Message - From: Travis Creswell To: 'RE-wrenches' Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! Then you can patch together one or two strings in effort to get the system in some s

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Travis Creswell
reswell Ozark Energy Services _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:42 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries,

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
be saved. Conrad Cotuit Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org ] On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
be saved. Conrad Cotuit Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org ] On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
be saved. Conrad Cotuit Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org ] On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Travis Creswell
st, Travis Creswell Ozark Energy Services _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Conrad Geyser Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:01 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, E

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Conrad Geyser
Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them! Conrad, We have sold many Concord (Lifeline, Sun Xtender...) batteries over the years. They are the best and half of our battery sale

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-30 Thread Allan Sindelar
Reposting from mid-October, in response, Todd: We have one off-grid customer who is well into his seventies. He has an old/upgraded 12V system, originally installed by Windy in the late 1980s. (He’s the only customer we care for who is still using his original basic Trace 1512 – the original

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, Junk??

2009-11-30 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
Hello Todd, Since your strong opinion is a completely negative one, I suggest you study the installations you have had trouble with. I have seen many poorly designed systems that cause to the demise of the battery. Far too many parallel strings and undersized charge systems are the worst

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-30 Thread wind...@wind-sun.com
sion Forum: http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/ .. - Original Message - From: toddc...@finestplanet.com To: RE-wrenches Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wren

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-11-30 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
Conrad, We have sold many Concord (Lifeline, Sun Xtender...) batteries over the years. They are the best and half of our battery sales are Deka and Concord AGM's. When our mobile customers abuse their AGM batteries, I use an equalization process that has a constant current and no voltage

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-30 Thread toddcory
As someone who has been doing off grid systems since 1985 I can say from experience, ALL sealed batteries are CRAP... especially in off grid applications. They are too fragile and do not last. Todd On Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:48pm, "Conrad Geyser" said: In the vein of us on grid folks

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-29 Thread Walt Ratterman
E-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries In the vein of us on grid folks who's heads spin when the off grid folks start talking about charge programming and gen set start up parameters. I am servicing an orphaned 48 V off grid system that is only 1 1/2 years old, with 40 C

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
Sun, 11/29/09, Conrad Geyser wrote: > From: Conrad Geyser > Subject: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries > To: "'RE-wrenches'" > Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 7:48 PM > > > In the vein > of us on grid folks who’s > heads spin when the off grid

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-29 Thread jay peltz
Hi Conrad, 1. Not usually a good idea to EQ sealed small batteries. This will hasten their death. 2. Best bet at this point is charge them individually or at least parallel at 12v 3. If possible put them on a long long charge to see if they actually charge up. 4. what are the charge set poin

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-29 Thread wind...@wind-sun.com
m/ForumVB/ .. - Original Message - From: Conrad Geyser To: 'RE-wrenches' Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:48 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries In the vein of us on grid folks who's heads spin when the off grid fo

[RE-wrenches] concord batteries

2009-11-29 Thread Conrad Geyser
In the vein of us on grid folks who's heads spin when the off grid folks start talking about charge programming and gen set start up parameters. I am servicing an orphaned 48 V off grid system that is only 1 1/2 years old, with 40 Concorde Sun Extender batteries, which are for the most part, sh