Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-14 Thread Troy Harvey
William, By gravity flashing i mean one of a bunch of newer systems that provide a metal flashing overtop of the foot. The idea is to have it work like a shingle, where gravity is on your side, not just sealants. But here in lies the debate for me. A gravity is a nice backup, cause water alway

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-14 Thread Troy Harvey
Hi Benn, Usually the solar array is not the limiting factor in my structural calcs. The rails could span farther between feet, it is the point loads on the building structure that is a problem. Unless it was designed for PV, the uniform load of the snow is now getting transferred to the struct

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-14 Thread Troy Harvey
Ray, we engineer every system using the ASCE structural load manual. Roof snow load has to be below 113 SQFT (for high snow load modules) after taking the ASCE slippery surface reductions based on slope. thanks, Troy Harvey - Principal Engineer Heliocentric 801-453-9434 ta

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-14 Thread William Miller
Ben: We do not put anything between the foot and the shingles. Maybe some EPDM rubber William At 07:08 PM 11/13/2012, you wrote: William, Yeah the term 'gravity flashing' is new to me too. While adding Lfeet for support without lagging them into the roof seems like a reasonable solution t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread Howie Michaelson
Todd, That is a tall pole. Hope those were back mounted and not the Solarworld 2.0 frames! How far into the ground did you go? With how much cement? Did DP&W approve the engineering on that? My memory is they didn't approve TPM heights much over 9'. The largest we've done are 15 module racks, b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread toddcory
the engineering called for 8" sch 80... and some super strong rebar in the base. i subbed out the mount so dont have all the details easily accessible... but if i recall, the hole is like 6' deep and 5 feet square. it seemed inadequate to me, but it was engineered, so i guess good to go. todd

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread Benn At DayStarSolar
Troy, Maybe adding additional support to the trusses would allow you to spread out the Lfeet a bit more? ...but then there is still that added cost!?! QuickmountPV for one, makes a pretty solid case that any roof penetration needs to be flashed if the waterproof integrity of a roof is to be ma

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread Ray Walters
Thanks for the pitch info, very helpful. Are you using a heavy wall thickness on the pole? I thought with DP &W we could only go 6 ft out of the ground without increasing the pole size or adding bracing. Ray On 11/13/2012 4:21 PM, toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote: ray, this has been a lea

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread William Miller
Troy: I do not know what a gravity flashing is. Can you elucidate? If you have adequate upload mounting strength and need more download support, you can consider using additional L-fee that simply rest on the shingles without penetrating the roof. We do that sometimes to take the sag out of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread Ray Walters
HI Todd; That's very interesting. What roof pitch does that happen? I'm guessing that at a step enough tilt, the frame damage is alleviated? Also on your tall pole mounts what pole design do you use? I've tried telescoping type, and guy wires on tall poles. Ray On 11/13/2012 12:08 PM, tod

Re: [RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread toddcory
I have never had good results with roof mounted pv in our heavy (mount shasta) snow area. the snow tends to creep down the glass and peel the bottom of the frame off the module... and then the glass breaks as it has no support in that area. so, around here... i do pole mounts WAY up in th

[RE-wrenches] Roof flashings on L-feet in high snow load conditions

2012-11-13 Thread Troy Harvey
Hi all, We have been doing PV installs for years with L-feet and silicone without problems ever. Even still, gravity flashings seem attractive in shingle roofs, to provide a second level of security, and a more professional install (at least in perception). But the cost of these systems in sign