Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread William Miller
Joel: Shoot. I guess this means I gotta write a book... William At 03:43 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote: parts list, I ask them, "Why? Are you going to use the list to shop around?" Then I usually end up telling them politely, "I'm sorry, but I do not design PV systems for free. If you want part

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Jeff Yago
Well said Joel, so lets close this issue out and go deal with the other dangers out there lurking unseen in this fast changing solar market.   Jeff Yago Netscape.  Just the Net You Need. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Joel Davidson
This is how I deal with full disclosure. Several years ago, I took the Dale Carnegie Sales Course. (To be a sales professional, you need training and the DCSC has my highest recommendation.) Step 3 in the 5-step DCSC selling process states, "Give your prospects enough facts, and no more, about y

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Matt Tritt
This issue is not limited to the PV market. Virtually every type of contracting and retail business faces identical problems, and it was a huge problem that we faced in the early 80's when everybody and their brother decided that they wanted into the solar and wind biz. Providing an exact equip

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Wind-sun.com
www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/ .. - Original Message - From: Todd Cory To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct Unfort

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Todd Cory
Unfortunately, this seems more and more like the fiasco created by the DHW credits 25 years ago. Sadly, this is what I expected and why I am opposed to incentive programs. Most people have no clue about energy or resource depletion issues. For example, I was contacted by a group that runs the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Wind-sun.com
un.com/ForumVB/ .. - Original Message - From: Jeff Yago To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct We are seeing more and more installers entering the local solar market with little or no experience. Yes, they may have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Jeff Yago
We are seeing more and more installers entering the local solar market with little or no experience.  Yes, they may have attended some kind of 2-day dealer training in order to set up an account to purchase solar hardware, but believe me, most could not design or size anything and they are just sel

Re: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread Bill Loesch
essage - From: William Miller To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Professional conduct Colleagues: Of course, this dilemma has probably existed since the Romans bid on the first chariot. You need to present a design to the client to prove

[RE-wrenches] Professional conduct

2009-02-05 Thread William Miller
Colleagues: Of course, this dilemma has probably existed since the Romans bid on the first chariot. You need to present a design to the client to prove you have a plan in order to sell the job, but you can not prevent the client from using your design to shop contractors. There is not a lot