Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-09 Thread Darryl Thayer
I see now Larry and Alex explained one of my problems was low capacty early shut down. I had the cc set to absorb volts below 100% and over two years the battery seemed to lose capacity. Voc 80 volts solar array The cc absorb 55 volts i was not charging full. The BMS. would never top balance. Af

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
Got 113 attached screen. What is different or what should I look for please? --Dave On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:15:40 -0800, Alex MeVay wrote: > Hi All, > > As Larry said, when a lithium BMS disconnects, this causes a "load > dump" just like disconnecting a lead-acid battery. Well-designed > charger

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-08 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
We did the LG RESU 48v field testing here for Schneider. Never had any problems with this and both of their cc's. Still running fine 2 years later. What I found was in the effort to get to 100% Soc there would be micro cycles of the battery. By staying below 100% there was not any more issue wi

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-08 Thread Alex MeVay
Hi All, As Larry said, when a lithium BMS disconnects, this causes a "load dump" just like disconnecting a lead-acid battery. Well-designed chargers (solar or otherwise) should be able to handle this without damage, though a failing or poorly-designed lithium battery may cause this to happen many

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-08 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hello Larry is always a good source. I have used Morningstar MPPT 60 s on my few LiFe po4 systems 4 years now, no controller problems or equipment problems yet. I imagine when the BMS disconnects battery voltage high, controller output goes high for a short period i will put an Egauge on the outpu

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-08 Thread Starlight Solar Power Systems
There was some off board chatter about this subject but I think it is useful to some to copy my comments on the board. If a Li battery EMS or BMS detects a fault condition, it can cause an open circuit to the battery. As the battery owner gets familiar with their new energy storage system, this

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS]

2019-01-07 Thread dan
oopsi daisyDan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.com Original Message Subject: Re: OffList Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS From: "b...@midnitesolar.com" <b...@midnitesolar.com> Date: Mon, January 07, 2019 4:09 pm

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread Howie Michaelson
Good to know Larry. I'm just trying to clarify what Dan is setting and what outback is claiming. Thanks On Mon, Jan 7, 2019, 2:43 PM Starlight Solar Power Systems < la...@starlightsolar.com wrote: > Howie, > > We have many hundreds of Li battery systems sold and installed. Never had > any failure

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread Starlight Solar Power Systems
Howie, We have many hundreds of Li battery systems sold and installed. Never had any failure of PV controllers including Outback due to charging Li-ion. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jan 7, 2019, at 11:23 AM, Howie Michaelson wrote: Hey Dan, Are you saying that OB is cla

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread dan
-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS From: jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, January 07, 2019 12:57 pm To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> HI Dan,I’d like to know more about the system:battery brandsize of the PVvoltagejaypeltz powerOn Jan 7, 2019, at 6:46 AM, <d...@foxfire

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread dan
Sorry, These are LiFePO4.. NiFe was last week.. my BadDan BrownFoxfire Energy Corp.Renewable Energy Systems(802)-483-2564www.Foxfire-Energy.com Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS From: Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar <offgridso...@sti.net> Date: Mon, J

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread Howie Michaelson
Hey Dan, Are you saying that OB is claiming that NiFePO4 batteries are smoking their charge controllers? Do they say why? Is this also true of LiFePO4 batteries? If you wouldn't mind mentioning which battery manufacture you are dealing with? Thanks, Howie Michaelson Sun Catcher On Mon, Jan 7, 20

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread jay
HI Dan, I’d like to know more about the system: battery brand size of the PV voltage jay peltz power > On Jan 7, 2019, at 6:46 AM, > wrote: > > I've been asked to trouble shoot a problem with a new set of LiFePO4 > batteries on an older OB system.. The customer complained the system would

Re: [RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
You state that the battery is a LiFe and Outback said it is a Nife bms. Can you clarify please? Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar "we go where powerlines don't" http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/ [1] e-mail offgridso...@sti.net [2] text 209 813 0060 On Mon, 07 Jan 2019 07:46:39 -0700, wrote: I've

[RE-wrenches] LiFePo4 vs BOS

2019-01-07 Thread dan
I've been asked to trouble shoot a problem with a new set of LiFePO4 batteries on an older OB system.. The customer complained the system would go dark within a few min. of the batt indicator light going yellow.. From what I've gathered so far the BMS of the batteries is shutting down.. The distrib