Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread frenergy
All, Great points and a little education of others' feelings about, essentially how granular we need to be in monitoring. I'm curious who is monitoring the Enphase systems in the solar world, seriously. I know 95% of my customers are more concerned about catching the bus or

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread Glenn Burt
I would not classify what we are doing in PV as SCADA. It is purely data acquisition at this point, and more commonly referred to as DAS or a Data Acquisition System. SCADA by its definition entails a two way path of both receiving data and being able to send control signals, usually from a bi

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)

2014-09-29 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Yeah, Florida is in the dark ages of solar in more ways than one. We're on 2008 still. One area enlightened/progressive jurisdiction has eliminated the additional electrode requirement altogether in light of the 2011 code cycle taking effect soon. The one I am dealing with is notorious for making

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)

2014-09-29 Thread August Goers
Hi Jason, Do you need to go under the 2008 NEC or can you look at 2011? 2008 is notorious for being confusing in this area. Best, August *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski *Sent:* Monday, September 29, 2014 11:54 AM *To

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)

2014-09-29 Thread Jason Szumlanski
We are 100% on the same page. That is the technique we use and the argument I make. In a large proportion of cases we have modules directly above the existing premises grounding electrode, or otherwise where an additional grounding electrode would be "as close as practicable" to a location within 6

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread Ray Walters
The 2nd problem with the Envoy besides cost is that it isn't always reliable.Communication through power lines is not a new or fresh idea, and has Always been problematic. Once you install something you are expected to make it work, and that can be a nightmare on say an 8 module system tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread toddcory
this is where i get mine:http://www.visionmetering.com/products/refurbished-electric-meters/     On Monday, September 29, 2014 7:12am, "Christopher Warfel" said: Bill, The refurbished utility meter is the lowest cost option that meets the requirements of accuracy for RECs that I am aware of.  Chr

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)

2014-09-29 Thread Ray Walters
Definitely could use some clarification. The 690 definition of an array says "mechanically integrated", which sort of implies each roof plane is its own array. However in terms of actual PV design terminology, each PV system has only one array which may consist of many subarrays. Even a 25 MW p

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread August Goers
Hi Bill, One of the largest benefits of the microinverter system, in my opinion, is the ability to monitor each module individually. It might seem like ~$500 is a lot for the Envoy but I think it is well worth it when you think about the 25 year warranty period and included ongoing monitoring. W

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread Christopher Warfel
Bill, The refurbished utility meter is the lowest cost option that meets the requirements of accuracy for RECs that I am aware of. Chris On 9/28/2014 5:25 PM, frenergy wrote: CA wrenches, I'm trying to (for the sake of my monetarily impaired customers) figure out a less expensive way to

[RE-wrenches] PV Array Definition and 690.47(D) (2008)

2014-09-29 Thread Jason Szumlanski
The definition of Array in 690.2 is ambiguous. Figure 690.1(A) seems to indicate that groups of modules on different roof surfaces could be considered a single array. The textual definition itself could be construed either way. We have successfully argued that an entire roof mounted system with mod

Re: [RE-wrenches] Metering

2014-09-29 Thread Chris Mason
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