Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Dave Click
This could just be due to the better temperature coefficient, or maybe they do slightly better than cSi at lower irradiance levels? Solar Frontier CIS: -0.31%/degC SolarWorld poly: -0.45%/degC I don't know enough about CIS to comment on the light soaking. On 2013/2/18 8:36, Marco Mangelsdorf w

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Carl Emerson
Doug, I could be wrong but I don’t think that definition of soaking is correct. Typically it takes 6 months of good sunlight minimum for a module to reach a stable output, this is particularly true of A-Si . For example a US64 will degrade 15% and then settle at the label rating after 6 mon

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
I couldn't get that link to work, Doug. Thanks. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Doug Wells Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 4:19 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods Ok so its a reading nigh

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread John Berdner
Light soaking = exposed to sunlight for some period of time in order to complete light induced degradation (or apparently light induced enhancement). Best Regards, John Berdner General Manager, North America [cid:image001.jpg@01CE0E09.55EDDEB0] SolarEdge Technologies, Inc. 3347 Gateway Bouleva

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Doug Wells
Ok so its a reading night. There are a bunch of very good papers about this effect on all the different types of modules. www1.eere.energy.gov/…dfs/pvmrw2011_p25_tf_dunn.pdf Best summary of Soaking would be : controlled exposure to light under controlled environmental conditions. The "soaking"

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Can someone please educate as to what "soaking" means in this context? Thanks. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Carl Emerson Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 3:01 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] CI

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Carl Emerson
Kirpal, I understand that they don't behave like A-Si modules. They are claiming increased performance after soaking. Regards Carl Emerson I don't understand the text as stated.I am not sure if they are simply referring to a common effect in most thin film panels whe

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
I don't understand the text as stated.I am not sure if they are simply referring to a common effect in most thin film panels where for the first few months they can output more than ratings, and then they settle down to what they are rated for, or if they are saying that after a few months the

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Yes, I saw that. Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me. marco On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Carl Emerson wrote: > *Marco.* > > * * > > *Did you notice the claim in the text as follows…* > > * * > > *The "Light Soaking" Effect* > Following an initial period of exposure to sunlight, the CIS li

Re: [RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Carl Emerson
Marco. Did you notice the claim in the text as follows. The "Light Soaking" Effect Following an initial period of exposure to sunlight, the CIS light soaking effect will result in higher output than factory spec. This has been proven by field data from around the world If correct this a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Corrugated roofing mounts

2013-02-18 Thread Chris Worcester
We use the SDS galv up here in the mountains, they are tough, haven't snapped one, the engineer loves spec'ing them. Sincerely, Chris Worcester Solar Wind Works NABCEP Certified PV Installer Phone: 530-582-4503 C: 530-448-9692 Fax: 530-582-4603 www.solarwindworks.com

[RE-wrenches] CIS mods

2013-02-18 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Aloha, Solar Frontier in Japan, the maker of copper-indium-selenium (CIS) mods, claims that their product produces more kWhs per kW installed than crystalline silicon. http://www.solar-frontier.com/eng/cis/index.html If you go to the Softbank Field Results on the right tabs area you can do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Corrugated roofing mounts

2013-02-18 Thread Ray Walters
The Simpson screws look very similar to the Headloks. I just looked at the Simpson SDS, and I see they are available in 316 Stainless as well. That would be my choice near the ocean, but I'm guessing they're spendy. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified, Licensed Contractor 808 269-

Re: [RE-wrenches] Corrugated roofing mounts

2013-02-18 Thread William Miller
Ray: We use the Simpson 1/4 by X" "Strong Drive" (SDS series). We get them in the hot dip galvanize version. They are readily available locally. I think building officials like the Simpson name on structural products. They self drill and we have had no instance of them snapping off while

Re: [RE-wrenches] Corrugated roofing mounts

2013-02-18 Thread Ray Walters
I've got a project right now on a steel roof. I was just at a trade show last week, so I got to look at the latest gizmo from S5. I didn't like it at all, it didn't go into the valleys like the old mount, but drilled 4 holes into the side of the ridge, and just counted on the roofing to hold th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Corrugated roofing mounts

2013-02-18 Thread William Miller
Chris: We have used the S5 corrugated product before and choose not to repeat the experiment for these reasons: 1. Making roof perforations in any valley defies common sense. 2. The threaded mounting holes stripped very easily. 3. I have determined that most common wavelength of corrugated r