Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Philip
Page 127 of the Mate3 manual. Phil On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Chris Mason wrote: > Is there a document available on how this world? > > On Friday, July 20, 2012, Phil Undercuffler wrote: > > Hi all, I just got a correction from Darren - global charge control is in > > the Mate3, and the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Chris Mason
Is there a document available on how this world? On Friday, July 20, 2012, Phil Undercuffler wrote: > Hi all, I just got a correction from Darren - global charge control is in the Mate3, and therefore works with any FM or MX controller that has the GT mode. It uses the current sense from the FN-D

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Phil Undercuffler
Hi all, I just got a correction from Darren - global charge control is in the Mate3, and therefore works with any FM or MX controller that has the GT mode. It uses the current sense from the FN-DC and the GT mode signal to control the output of the controllers. Sorry for any confusion Phil On Jul

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Chris Mason
Phil, Good explanation of the feature. When did GCC make it into the firmware, and can the older ones be updated? It sounds like a perfect solution for some of my installations. On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Phil Undercuffler wrote: > OutBack implemented Global Charge Control in the FM charge

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC GEC Sizing Issue - Water Main GE

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Click
Garrison, If you're doing a small commercial grid-tie system, your inverter GEC requirements are determined not by the service size but by your inverter. To illustrate, if you were installing a single Enphase, running an unspliced #3/0 copper wire from your pipe up to your inverter would be o

Re: [RE-wrenches] High L16 voltage situation

2012-07-20 Thread Nathan Jones
Mystery solved. Morningstar vindicated. I had one of the guys go down on this so this is as I understand it. One of the 2 solar panels was mis wired into the 12VDC lighting circuit. This panel was finding its way straight to the batteries through the load side of the charge controller. Appare

[RE-wrenches] DC GEC Sizing Issue - Water Main GE

2012-07-20 Thread Garrison Riegel
Wrenches, I have GEC sizing issue and would greatly appreciate any advice you can share. We have a small commercial grid-tie system installing on a facility with a 4000A, 240V, 3Ph service that uses the water main as the Ground Electrode. My engineer is referencing NEC Table 250.66 (and the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Phil, Thanks for the very thorough explanation of the Global Charge Control. That setup would certainly provide the level of control that I was getting at. I can see how the FN-DC could do that since it utilizes multiple shunts and can therefore use discrete amperage readings to provide better

Re: [RE-wrenches] mounting hardware and U.L.

2012-07-20 Thread Dave Click
http://solarabcs.org/about/publications/reports/module-grounding/index.html (see the Issues & Recommendations report) Phil is right that UL 2703 isn't finalized yet so it's not actually a requirement. However, I imagine that module installation manuals and UL 1703 will both refer to 2703 soon,

Re: [RE-wrenches] mounting hardware and U.L.

2012-07-20 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Thanks, Phil. I just went to that website and do not know exactly what report you're referring to. Could you please provide the link? marco I don't think it's formally ratified, certified and adopted, but UL2703 is the new proposed "Standard for Mounting Systems, Mounting Devices, Clamping/Ret

Re: [RE-wrenches] Array direct farm machinery?

2012-07-20 Thread Steve McCarney
Could the site use any refrigeration? There is a family of fridges called "ice lined" and these store energy in the form of ice, avoiding the need for a battery. Some are made for solar direct drive operation, but at lower voltages (12-24 vdc nominal). They have reasonably long "autonomy" times at

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Drake
Thank you Phil, That is the solution. Your wealth of knowledge has proven itself again. Drake At 12:34 AM 7/20/2012, you wrote: OutBack implemented Global Charge Control in the FM charge controllers a while back, based on the input of the good folk at SELF who worked to power a number of hosp

Re: [RE-wrenches] mounting hardware and U.L.

2012-07-20 Thread Chris Mason
PV installations are governed by the NEC as electrical systems, the mounting system is not electrical and would not be required to be UL listed. On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: > Does anyone know whether there are U.L. standards when it comes to PV > mounting hardware?*

Re: [RE-wrenches] Small battery bank vs too large array

2012-07-20 Thread Chris Mason
I did a similar system for a client, in a place where grid connections were not very legal. We powered s sub-panel but the power exported was used in the rest of the house. If you use 4 x 250Ah batteries, a 60A controller is not going to over charge the batteries as they have a 65A charging limit s