Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread John DeBoever
Wrenches, Thank you for your patience (as I was busy all day). I appreciate the valid issues raised and good perspectives provided so far by the Wrenches. I will try my best to clarify the hydrogen production issues as follow. ยท All lead acid batteries, flooded and VRLA require ventil

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Correction: I meant to say .05*C20 for AGM equalization current. Larry On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems wrote: Hello William, My understanding is once the SO4 is fully absorbed, excess H and O are produced and could be vented if the pressure rises abov

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hello William, My understanding is once the SO4 is fully absorbed, excess H and O are produced and could be vented if the pressure rises above 5psi. So, when saturation is complete, voltage should be reduced and no gassing would take place. For this reason, I always recommend using charge curre

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hi John, I am curious about what you saying "float or equalization". Here's my understanding: If the battery is able to accept all current presented, the electrochemical process, SO4 combining with H released through decomposition, is balanced and with little excess gas released. When the elect

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting re VRLA

2012-01-06 Thread Allan Sindelar
In reference to William's comment about equalizing VRLA batteries, see page 17 of Concorde Battery's SunXtender technical manual, available online at http://www.sunxtender.com/pdfs/Sun_Xtender_Battery_Technical_Manual.pdf. They instruct charging these AGM VRLA batteries

[RE-wrenches] Carling C Series Breakers (was Outback Breaker problem)

2012-01-06 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Wrenches; Here's an update on the breaker problem. Midnite is getting their breakers changed over to the sturdier posts. I had less trouble with the Epanel, than working backwards in the super deep Outback box, anyway. Hopefully Outback will follow suit now? As I stated before, I would

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting

2012-01-06 Thread Kent Osterberg
Wrenches, While looking for information regarding standards about battery room ventilation I ran into this link, which has some good information and is certainly worth everyone's attention. http://www.belvoir.army.mil/safety/inc/battery-explosion.asp Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc.

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread William Miller
Larry: I always thought that any breach of a valve in a VRLA battery was a sign of a failure. I recently spoke with a technician at MK Batteries and learned that venting and/or seepage is not uncommon and not a sign of failure. I have also heard in the distant past and then read recently on

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
You beat me to that one, Kent. Also, if your VRLA battery is emitting any gas, you've got trouble. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems On Jan 5, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: John, Could you clarify units? "0.418 Liters/AH" is that per charge cycle? per hour? per minute?

Re: [RE-wrenches] battery venting; Corrosion

2012-01-06 Thread John DeBoever
Kent, Thank you for pointing at the units. Please note that: * You are looking for cc/hr/Ah/cell rates at float and equalization voltages. * Gassing is a function of charging current (FLA: an ampere-hour of overcharge, i.e. during float or equalization mode, results in about 0.