Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread William Miller
Eric: Thanks for the research. I confess that I commented on an inverter system I knew little about. My thanks to Darryl for keeping me honest, and for the kind words. I had assumed that all modern inverters are certified to prevent back feed, but this needs to be checked for each new inver

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fat Spaniel

2010-11-14 Thread Philip Boutelle
Jeff, If you don't need inverter-direct monitoring, you can use any CT-based 3rd party system (eGauge, Fat Spaniel, Energy Recommerce, Deck, etc all offer these, many charge for web-based hosting). If you want it to connect directly (useful for getting alert emails if one inverter goes down), you a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Eric Thomas
Thanks William and Daryl, Here is Auroras backfeed stipulation from the installation manual: "Installation and Operator’s Manual Page 98 of 108 (PVI-3.0/3.6/4.2-OUTD-x-US Rev: 2.1) *8.5 Input Source Backfeed Current* PVI-4.2(3.6, 3.0)-OUTD-x-US Grid Tied Inverters are provided with two separat

Re: [RE-wrenches] Another PV fire

2010-11-14 Thread William Miller
Colleagues: Below is from a local building official. This is very preliminary so take it as such: William Miller From what I've been told the fire was located in one of the combiner boxes. It started as they were commissioning the system. We had completed our final inspection and their ele

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fat Spaniel

2010-11-14 Thread Jeff Yago
I just completed a system for a college that has four (4) Fronius IQ plus, and all the required Fronius data and interface boxes they have so it can connect to almost any outside device.  My original agreement (2 years ago!) was to web monitor with Fat Spaniel the suggested web host, and when I tal

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Dave Click
Fronius IG Plus on the spec sheet also specs "Max. continuous utility back feed current" as 0A. Original Message Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused. From: William Miller To: RE-wrenches Date: 2010/11/14 12:54 Darryl: If Aurora can not verify that their i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Another PV fire

2010-11-14 Thread Jeff Yago
I have searched the net and cannot find any photos of this fire damage, or any report that explains the damamge in detail.  What about the installer?  Have they stepped up to investigate, or perhaps the fire marshall?   When these things happen everybody heads to their corners, but we all would ben

Re: [RE-wrenches] Thank you

2010-11-14 Thread greg
All, I'd also like to thank Matt for talking about fires, fuses and safety in his last 2 posts. I have mostly done off grid but recently installed a GT 8KW system that runs 410 vdc per string. I have not installed the fuses in the combiner yet (the utility just blessed the system late last week)

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread William Miller
Darryl: If Aurora can not verify that their inverters will not backfeed the DC circuitry, then the circuits must be fused. This too is specified in Berdner's study. We are in agreement. I think SMA is not the only transformer inverter with a no-backfeed declaration. William At 05:48 A

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Darryl Thayer
I never thought I would disagree with William, I have the highest admiration for him, But the transformerless inverter has no seperation between grid and array, no problem if everything is fused.  Darryl --- On Sat, 11/13/10, William Miller wrote: From: William Miller Subject: Re: [RE-wrenc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Head Spinning..(Con) fused.

2010-11-14 Thread Darryl Thayer
Yes "from all sources of supply", the transformerless inverter is a source of supply.  BOTH legs of all strings should be fused.  It has always been that strings shall be protected from all sources of supply, and only SMA had stated that it will not back feed,  This nature of the transformerles