Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-26 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Aluminum wire got its bad name during the era when it was use in 15 and 20 amp circuits, with #12 and #10 wire. That stuff is a nightmare. As an electrician that has cleaned up some of the messes, I can supply ample horror stories. #2 and larger sizes of AL work fine. It is important to use

Re: [RE-wrenches] UL Listing for meter

2010-07-26 Thread Matt Lafferty
Wrenches, The issue of UL Listed meters is becoming a frequent problem for RE integrators. I ditto what Hans said about not finding a listing. What I've seen so far is that Socket based meters are generally NOT listed by the mfrs since the primary users are utilities and, therefore, listing is no

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-26 Thread Jeff Oldham
I have used AL wire in DC circuits for 30 years and have never had a problem. If you carefully follow the protocols for working with AL you should have the same experience. As pointed out the cost difference can be staggering. I'm designing an o-t-g 3kW PV system now that has this array 1300' fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Picking a Quality Chinese PV Module

2010-07-26 Thread Jeff Oldham
I tend to side with Peter on this and can recall the days when folks would not buy a German or Japanese product either, now both are respected for quality and politics are put aside. I have used both Trina and Yingli. Both have performed well out of the box. My most recent install was with Trina

[RE-wrenches] UL Listing for meter

2010-07-26 Thread Hans Frederickson
I scanned the UL White Book and did not find a category listing for bolt-in or plug-in type watt-hour meters. There are several categories for the meter sockets. If UL hasn't taken it on, I can't imagine that anyone has paid any other NRTL to evaluate equipment that typically doesn't require a list

Re: [RE-wrenches] Congested Panel Problem

2010-07-26 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Peter.SMA makes a SB 4000US with a CL (current limited) marking.you would need to order this specifically. They limit the max continuous output to16A (16*1.25 =20) instad of 16.66 so that after adding your 1.25 multiplier you can still use a 20A breaker in a 100 amp panel and you are then

Re: [RE-wrenches] Congested Panel Problem

2010-07-26 Thread David Brearley
Peter, You can address the inspector's first complaint by pointing to the new language (NEC 2008) in 690.64(B)(2): "In systems with panelboards connected in series, the rating of the first overcurrent protection device directly connected to the output of a utility-interactive inverter(s) shall b

[RE-wrenches] Congested Panel Problem

2010-07-26 Thread Peter Parrish
We occasionally run into a dual headache: a congested AND underpowered service panel. Case in point a 100A Zinsco main panel with no room for a two pole breaker for inverter back feed. Normally we pull two 20A/120V branch circuits out of the main panel into a subpanel, back feed the subpanel with

Re: [RE-wrenches] How to evaluate chinese PV modules?

2010-07-26 Thread Mick Abraham
Props to Charlie for stating these issues clearly & fairly. There are too many new manu's for me to sort through so I typically delete/spamreport all offers from unknown/chinese sources. That's the "knee jerk reaction" that Charlie mentions, but it's only partly due to anti-communism. It's also due

[RE-wrenches] How to evaluate chinese PV modules?

2010-07-26 Thread Aladdin Solar
Wrenches: Like it or not, there is a huge volume of PV modules manufactured (in part or completely) in China. And we're seeing U.S. producers moving operations there, too. If we can put aside some of the knee-jerk reactions to the idea of Chinese manufacturing and face the fact that it's a majo

Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-26 Thread Steve Higgins
The only way for Outback gear to measure return amps is to incorporate an FNDC in the installation. Otherwise then yes you are correct. Steve Higgins. Sr Application Engineering Mgr Sub-Saharan Africa Business Dev Mgr. Outback Power Systems. 19009 62nd Ave Ne Arlington Wa 98

Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-26 Thread Mark Frye
Steve, Just to make sure I am not missing something, there is no way to directly set Outback equipment for a particular return amp rate. Rather one must observe the charge cycle and set the absorption timer accordingly. Do have that right? Thanks, Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems

[RE-wrenches] Voltage Drop Calculator Templates

2010-07-26 Thread Michael Kelly
Hi All, I got a request to make my voltage drop excel templates available in both the new and old excel formats. I also changed the calculator so you can input your own Imp multiplier (if desired). Here they are: Excel 97-2003 version: http://www.mechanicalmike.com/solar/DC_Voltage_Drop_C

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-26 Thread bob
I don't think most of the breakers and wire ends we use (or at least I) are rated for Al use. I don't use Al at all and try to have as few splices as possible. Each splice is a potential problem and with Al a failure in the insulation can result in the wire just corroding away if it's buried. I don

Re: [RE-wrenches] RETURN AMP SETTING

2010-07-26 Thread Steve Higgins
Sorry all… I was out on a little three day vacation. I usually program return amps setting to usually 2-3% of the overall battery bank capacity. Usually and depending on the battery type or manufacure when the current passing from the charger to the battery drops to this Return amp sett