Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, Not to belabor the issue, but your understanding of the I-V curve and how it responds to changes in irradiance and temperature are flawed. I'm sorry you believe that I am misleading you, but the truth is that the I-V curve moves up and down with changing irradiance (current changes with irr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase System Labeling

2010-05-20 Thread William Miller
Kent: Good points. Enphase may allow us to disconnect their DC connectors under load, but each of their connectors mates with a connector installed at the PV factory. The module makers usually say don't disconnect under load. So the inverter and the PV listings both need to allow disconnect

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase System Labeling

2010-05-20 Thread Kent Osterberg
Marv, The manual now clearly states that the ac and dc connectors have been evaluated and approved for use as the required ac load break disconnect.  Yet in other locations the manual still says "Never disconnect the DC wire connectors under load" and "The AC connector of the first microinvert

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Parrish
-Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brooks Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:12 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation Peter, The issue is th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Kent Osterberg
Kirpal, None of the SQFlex equipment is UL listed.  You may find that your AHJ won't approve any of the SQFlex controls and possibly not even the pump. Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar Kirpal Khalsa wrote: Hi Folks.I am working on putting together a domestic water pumping system using

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Bill Brooks
Peter, The issue is the same as it was last year. The operating voltage of each string will be nearly identical throughout the day if the strings are the same length and not shaded. Put them on a single inverter. The Fronius report was not discussing a special algorithm for dealing with this situ

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Kirpal, Lots of good suggestions so far here, but here's my take: Unless there is a very high water need during the daytime hours, most of the time the PV array will be sitting there just doing nothing, which is what happens in most pressure systems. You would be better off just using an AC pum

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Mick Abraham
Good points, Allan & Ray~ I think Rays caveats can be mitigated depending on the wattage of the solar module relative to what the coil requires. If the 17v solar module is somewhat oversized it will run closer to its open circuit voltage which would make it more likely that a 24v relay coil would

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread R Ray Walters
I think you're going to have trouble with the array direct to the relay coil. a 12 v relay may burn long term, as suspected, but the 24 v relay probably won't close reliably at the lower voltage. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On May 20, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Mick Abraham wrote: >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Mick Abraham
I believe Allan's suggestion won't work because the utility AC is present so the system cannot use PV unless there's a grid blackout on a sunny day. Dan's suggestion sounds more likely: a "double pole double throw" DPDT relay which requires DC for the coil. Consider devoting a small 17v PV modul

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Allan Sindelar
Kirpal, I did this about 5 years ago, on an array-direct irrigation pump with the ability for the client to run a generator when needed. Yes, it's all automatic, and no additional relay is needed. When the IO101 senses AC it automatically closes a contactor - AC coil, NO is the AC, NC is the PV

[RE-wrenches] NABCEP Announces New Level in PV Installer Certification Program

2010-05-20 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Subject: NABCEP Announces New Level in PV Installer Certification Program Reply-To: i...@nabcep.org NABCEP Announces New Level in PV Installer Certification Program CLIFTON PARK, NY, May 20, 2010 - The North American Board of Certified Energy Practitioners (NABCEP) announces new credentialin

Re: [RE-wrenches] TED MONITORING

2010-05-20 Thread jason pozner
Ironically as I was looking through my TED 5000 package this thread came through. I am looking to use the TED for data logging for an off grid project, and plan on connecting a computer directly to the Gateway, as the client doesn't have internet access. I hope to use the information for system s

Re: [RE-wrenches] TED MONITORING

2010-05-20 Thread Glenn Burt
As you know, the TED uses a Power Line Carrier communications scheme where data is impressed on the 60Hz AC waveform for distribution throughout the house. There are many pitfalls in this method of data comms, but it can be done and be reliable. That being said here is my experience with the TE

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Exeltech
Could be as simple as installing a DC relay of appropriate coil voltage and contact configuration & ratings. Then, use the PV to power the relay and the contacts to select your preferred power source. The necessary hysteresis inherent in relays would be present. Select a relay for the environ

[RE-wrenches] Grundfos SQ FLEX AC/DC auto switching

2010-05-20 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Hi Folks.I am working on putting together a domestic water pumping system using a grundfos 11 - SQF - 2. This system will be connected to a standard pressure tank and cistern and have a solar array providing primary power. However at night and on cloudy days we would like the system to switch

[RE-wrenches] TED MONITORING

2010-05-20 Thread i2p
I was intrigued by a previous thread on Google Powermeter and the TED 5000 and tried to setup on two system. In both cases, they did not work.  I know they were installed correctly and factory support has me moving wires, getting noise filters, using different branch circuits, etc. In other wo

[RE-wrenches] two strings of different orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Nick Vida
sounds like a great situation for tigo power optimizers we should be seeing pretty soon. nick vida ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/opti

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase System Labeling

2010-05-20 Thread Marv Dargatz
Wrenches, Please note that Enphase has completed testing and received listing for the ac connectors and the DC connectors for use as the disconnect as required by the NEC.  No other disconnect device is required.  This information is contained in the latest Installation and Operations manual,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Whats with Kyocera

2010-05-20 Thread Blair May
WOW Chris I have always held great respect for you,is this for real Those spring time winds haven't distorted your sense of reality? You sure that you are dealing w/ the same SUMWIZE that I tried to deal w/? NO personal interaction w/ my "sales person" It seemed that they wanted to have me buy

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH - mixing valves

2010-05-20 Thread Blair May
Good point. I use a "mixing valve" to prevent overtemp water (165*+) from flowing into my propane hot water heater/storage tank, this prevents the overtemp safety plug from going. & then a "Anti scald" valve to condition my water to 110* on the outboard side of the propane hot water heater/sto

Re: [RE-wrenches] Enphase System Labeling

2010-05-20 Thread Dana Orzel
This is per our AHJ. Thanks, Dana Orzel Great Solar works, Inc. E - d...@solarwork.com V - 970.626.5253 F - 970.626.414 C - 970.209.4076 From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of benn kilburn Sent: Wednesday, May

Re: [RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Glenn Burt
How about a nice Power-One Aurora inverter with two MPP string inputs? http://www.power-one.com/renewable-energy/grid-tie-solar-inverters.php -Glenn Burt -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Pet

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH - mixing valves

2010-05-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Hi Bill, The valves are the AM-1 series. I wasn't aware that these incorporate check valves. In fact, we have had problems in some systems having HW recirculation with the hot circulating back through the cold supply, causing us to install separate check valves in the cold lines (which we

[RE-wrenches] Two strings of Different Orientation

2010-05-20 Thread Peter Parrish
Abut once a year we encounter this problem and each time I reach out to folks for guidance. Up until last year, I don't believe that there was a readily accessible tool that accurately simulated the behavior of "two strings of modules with different orientations". PVSyst is too expensive and hard t

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH - mixing valves

2010-05-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Randy, These valves are the Honeywell Sparcomix AM series, which are certified for "anti-scald" (ASSE 1016 & 1017) The specs show that, for a hot supply range of 120˚ to 180˚, at a position #2, the mix temp should vary only from 116˚ to 122˚. The valve is definitely not working to spec, and

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH - mixing valves

2010-05-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Doug, I HAVE had tank (SS) temps in excess of 180˚, but rarely. These valves are the Honeywell Sparcomix AM series. I don't see any temperature limitations listed in the specifications. -Kelly Kelly Keilwitz, P.E. Whidbey Sun & Wind Renewable Energy Systems ke...@whidbeysunwind.com 360-678-7

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH - mixing valves

2010-05-20 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Bill, The water is quite hard (30 grains/gal), but there is a softener on the DHW that lowers the CaCO3 level significantly. I thought that this might have been a contributing factor with the previous mixing valve, but replacement (~2 years ago) didn't address the problem. Other than hard

[RE-wrenches] NABCEP Releases Small Wind Installer Certification Application Ahead of the September 2010 Exam

2010-05-20 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Subject: NABCEP Releases Small Wind Installer Certification Application Ahead of the September 2010 Exam Reply-To: i...@nabcep.org NABCEP Releases the Small Wind Installer Certification Application Ahead of the September 2010 Exam Clifton Park, NY, May 19, 2010 - NABCEP The North American B

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH - mixing valves

2010-05-20 Thread Bill Loesch
Hi again, Kelly, You mentioned backflow issues in your post, which I should have addressed with my previous reply. If the Honeywell valve you are using is a Honeywell AM-1 Thermostatic Mixing Valve it incorporates dual check valves on the inlets. Those check valves are removable and those check