Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread Nick Soleil
I feel that it is best to maintain a 1.5% voltage drop on the AC and DC. However, I was just sizing conductors for a 400 KW project, with the array 1000' from the main service panel. With AC modules, I would have needed 5-Parallel runs of 700MCM at 208VAC (20 wires at 700MCM for 1.5%VD!) The

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread Kent Osterberg
August, Thanks for remembering which SolarPro had that article. As an installer you can always claim that larger wire will make the system more efficient.  The question is: does it make sense to put in larger wire?  There is always a point where the extra copper is more valuable the extra ene

Re: [RE-wrenches] Fwd: Outback Grid Problems

2010-04-07 Thread Steve Higgins
Sorry Jay... Missed your post. >From what I understand we changed this between 75 and 76 because of popping in and out of sell. Ignoring the Temp compensation for Selling allows the inverter to be a bit more predictable. Steve Higgins. Sr Application Engineer. Sub-Saharan Afric

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread R Ray Walters
All of us agree our goal is to increase total production and reduce cost of the system over its life. Basically : total lifetime KWH production / total system cost. If I can increase the production for the dollar spent by using bigger wire, I'll do that, and if it makes more power for the mone

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello Ray, I agree with Bob-O. Smaller wires between the inverter and the grid may meet ampacity requirements and your I2R design goal, but high grid-tie voltage has been a problem. Also, 1% of lost power over the life of a PV system adds up especially when grid power continues to go up in pric

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread R Ray Walters
Thanks August, I think the SolarPro article makes my point with a decent example of the calculations. PV is expensive, Copper is expensive. Optimization makes the best use of both limited resources. The 5% max volt drop, is not a code requirement, but a fine print note, or suggested good pract

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread August Goers
Hi All - It seems to me that there is indeed a rather simple set of calculations that we can run to determine costs and benefits of wire sizing. Solar Pro 3.2 (Feb/Mar 2010) has a good article on this on page 16. http://solarprofessional.com/issue/?backissues=1 -August August Goers Luminalt

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Ray, Sorry, I'm not buying that argument over a 25+ year design lifespan. Also, -and perhaps something many folks don't consider- the NEC requires a MAX loss of ≤5% over the ENTIRE circuit. That means all the way to the mains panel. Best practices would require no more than 1.5% VD between the i

Re: [RE-wrenches] combiner boxes

2010-04-07 Thread holtek
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Re: [RE-wrenches] combiner boxes

2010-04-07 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Marco, PV Powered makes a 16-circuit: http://www.pvpowered.com/intellistring-commercial-monitoring.php Brian Teitelbaum AEE Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Marco Mangelsdorf Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010

[RE-wrenches] combiner boxes

2010-04-07 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Anyone know who makes a 30-circuit combiner in a NEMA4 non-metallic or stainless enclosure with a string-level monitoring capability? Thanks, marco provision_highres_solar_logo2 with C-26351 Marco Mangelsdorf, President 69 Railroad Avenue, A-7 Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 (808) 969-3281, 934-7462

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire size

2010-04-07 Thread R Ray Walters
I'm beginning to picture a standard combiner box, but with some interesting additions to the output: supplementary breaker, DC AFI. I wonder how close to short circuit current you could suzette supplementary breaker, without it nuisance tripping? Normal operation should be operating the arra

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-07 Thread Brian Crise
Kent, One of the things to take a look at and to make sure that your inspector is aware of is the last paragraph of Section 90.4. This was brought up at the last code meeting to allow new products to come on- line and to implement new technology into the market. Due to the timeliness of c