Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-19 Thread boB Gudgel
Ian Woofenden wrote: This is one of my pet peeves too... A few snippets and observations from my frequently given electrical terms presentation: If I asked you "How far is it to Vancouver?" and you answered "45 miles per hour," everyone listening would know that someone was confused. But w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Kent Osterberg
Drake, The spreadsheet name was Peukert.xls and all it computed was the Peukert effect - greater discharge current <-> smaller battery capacity.  Peukert's equation is based on a constant discharge current from fully charged to fully discharged (10.5 volts at the current in question).  The mis

Re: [RE-wrenches] kW/MW v. kWh/MWh

2010-01-19 Thread Ian Woofenden
This is one of my pet peeves too... A few snippets and observations from my frequently given electrical terms presentation: If I asked you "How far is it to Vancouver?" and you answered "45 miles per hour," everyone listening would know that someone was confused. But we tolerate and even pe

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Hugh
At 09:34 -0800 19/1/10, Kent Osterberg wrote: The Peukert capacity equation gives a "pretty good" estimate of the total amphours available at the present discharge current, regardless of what the discharge current was in the past. In other words it tells you the 'capacity' at a particular lo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Kent, At 12:34 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote: In the tests performed by Dennis Doerffel and Suleiman Abu Sharkh it is was in the five to ten percent range. In the first Excel spreadsheet, posted by Julie Haugh, the loss rates seem a lot higher than five to ten percent. Using 220 AH battery, for e

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Kent Osterberg
Drake, I'll re-word this in an attempt at precision. The Peukert capacity equation gives a "pretty good" estimate of the total amphours available at the present discharge current, regardless of what the discharge current was in the past. That is equivalent to saying: The amphours that a batte

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Drake Chamberlin
This is a very interesting thread. A lot has been said. What I think I understand is that if a battery is discharged completely at a high discharge rate, a significant number of amp hours will be lost due to heat and inefficiency, and Peukert's equation will approximate the loss. If the disc

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thanks Hugh and all who contributed to this thread. It has been most educational. Since a battery plate will dissolve in water it seems that there should be a min voltage under fast discharge that should be avoided. The loss of SOC accuracy comes from charging and watching the voltage while

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Warren Lauzon
Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid dischargeThat is not quite true. Some of the loss is in heat due to internal resistance, and that cannot be recovered. High discharge rates also significantly affect overall battery life, which is not part of the equation but must be considered.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Capacity loss due to rapid discharge

2010-01-19 Thread Hugh
Thanks, Kent, It is clear then that high discharge rates have a big effect on the voltage, but only a small effect on the actual battery capacity. That was my instinct but it's good to have it confirmed. And this will be important information for those who use Peukert's Law 'naively' to con