That looks great. I love it! I misinterpeted patrick's comment, and thought
you'd put d__k brakes on, and was glad to see you hadn't.
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Interesting. I'll play devil's advocate: for $12 I'd try it, personally.
Heck, I'd buy 2 for the shipping cost. I could see potential for problems, but
not consequential ones.
If it breaks, you're in your low gear and therefore going slow anyway. Use
your middle ring to limp home.
The chai
(Damn. I'm all thumbs trying to type with my thumbs.)
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I just looked at mine (first run green). It actually has a serial number,
but it's very hard to read under the paint. It's oriented the same
direction as the 'rivendell' cast letters, and on the opposite side next to
the drive-side bb cup. Look hard and see if you can find it.
I also looked
I think Bob is onto it. Yours is likely the original geometry with the long
top tube, which makes it a big bike. The later, shorter ones might fit better.
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Well, heck. There's not much to glean there regarding the mountain bike.
At one point, I think Grant said some prototypes would be available to
ride this month? Is that still the case and has anybody seen them? I
had hoped to be able to do so in person, but our CA trip fell through.
On
Ooohh, those plug-in dropouts! I thought they were going to be the tig welded
breezer style, but this is SO much nicer!
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I have a set of 26" bolt-on, 120mm suzue hub wheels that i wanted to convert to
QR axles once. When sheldon was alive, he told me that it wasn't practical to
change axles on those suzue hubs, unfortunately. I would assume that swapping
in a longer one would be equally difficult, but don't real
Replacing an axle and adding spacers is ORDINARILY very easy, and that's the
place to get them. The question here is whether or not the suzue hub has a
typical threaded axle with screw-on cone/race that can be transferred, or if it
has some sort of fixed shoulder that's part of the axle. I'd l
The perforations should allow the tape to breathe and dry out after a ride,
meaning LESS moisture buildup, if anything. I always thought that was the
reason for the perforations in the first place.
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Seems like there was somebody else recently, on this list or the ibob list,
looking for a fork with more clearance and enough steerer tube for a 59cm
XO-2. Tony, perhaps? Maybe somebody else will remember, or I can find the
thread.
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 8:44:38 AM UTC-7, Conway B
Here it is. Send him a PM.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/tony$20xo-2$20fork%7Csort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/XzUkZ8LS6sM/-f-NvmvBBAAJ
On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 6:28:43 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Seems like there was somebody else recently, on thi
Thanks for posting. It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff,
and comparing to how it came out in the end. Did Curt and Joe actually
build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic? Anybody know?
On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:10:10 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> I finally fou
Assuming the grilver is the same or similar to the first batch of clems and
then cheviots, I'll say it is way better in person. Single handedly made me
like metalic colors again. And, unlike any other riv color i can recall, it
looks equally fantastic with black components or that cheap looking
>"But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I missing?"
I had to read it a couple of times to understand, not being a fixed gear rider.
Basically, he's saying there's too much chance of pedal strikes with such a
low bottom bracket. Think corners without the ability to ke
I'm just catching up - but that sounds like what i expected to happen with
the 59. Glad I didn't want one, because work would have kept me away at
the crucial moment - not unlike trying to sign my kids up for after-school
clubs. Such a bummer that Grant couldn't get one though.
I'm not sure
Glad to hear you pulled the trigger, after all that. Congratulations
On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:51:23 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
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> they said its a homer blue and thats what i ordered
>
>>
>>
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the best. Merry Christmas, group!
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Yes, measurement is to the TOP of the seat tube or, more accurately, to the top
of the lug measured at the SIDE of the seat tube. (Scalloped shape makes it
confusing.)
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That 57 is still sitting there specifically so that Patrick Moore, who's been
saying for ages that he'd like to get a more road-ish Rivendell singlespeed,
has had every possible opportunity to pull the trigger.
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The fact that the Sams are again being offered in a canti version makes
them a hard option to ignore but, if you really want to try the lighter
bike or it is more in lines with your budget, I agree with the minority
here who predict that the Roadini would be perfectly adequate.
For what it's wo
The Romulus came in a canti version. It was basically an inexpensive
version of the Rambouillet. Not sure how it compared to the Legolas,
weight-wise . I always assumed that since Legolases (Legola? Legoli?)
were/are built-to-order as a cyclocross racing specific bike, that the
tubing was ta
René, since nobody has said it yet, thank you for making the effort!
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On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 6:32:49 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
Call RBW And ask which of their bikes has the thinnest tubing and shortest
> chains stays. I’m no expert but I think
... they will tell you that your priorities are skewed and that you're
shopping at the wrong bike co
Funny. I use velocity rims as often as possible, because i like to buy
american-made. I bought one custom built, full wheel from them and my customer
service experience was also fantastic. The only reason I've never done it
again is because they only have black hubs. Who are all these people
Wait - are you saying Roman indicated that this could become a
possibility? I've avoided the temptation of posting to your other thread,
because I have way too many dream bikes / fantasies / wishes. However in
regards to this particular model idea, I'll give an emphatic "yes," but
with the fo
Grant made comment in the last year or so, that the idea of a "plus" sized,
hunqapillar-ish bike came up several times a year among Riv staff members.
Thought maybe your inquiry was dovetailing with other, ongoing concept
ideas...
On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:20:03 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard
(Please excuse my sloppy typing and syntax in the above posts. Too much of
a hurry today, and wish there was an edit feature...)
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:19:36 PM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
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> ... The fact that they spec bikes with parts that could have been found 30
> years ago is what makes them endearing.
>
>
^ This is true. However, because I'm the kind of guy who will only buy a
bike that I believ
On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 8:51:54 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote:
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> I have 22 bicycles, 9 of them Rivs ...
>
Nothing to add to the main disucssion, but DAMN. I thought I was the worst
one here! You're my new hero! (Really)
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56cm version of the Clem Smith Jr.; 700c wheels like the 59, but perhaps
slightly shorter chainstays; all-lugged construction. Done.
I know that the Clem was conceived as a 'beater' bike of sorts, but why
shouldn't the bike I ride 75% of the time be my nicest? If/when I do a
custom, this is
If so, could I please see some photos and bother you to take some measurements?
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When I was first building up my 59cm Clem, I used 2.4 Maxis Ardents. I can
only find the few random photos below, though. They fit the frame just
fine but, as you note, the front would likely be too tight with a fender in
use. (Kind of a nitpick of mine actually - that something that is as
Tom - regarding the 2x chainring wide/low configuration: It's not a
problem at all - you just might need a longer bb spindle. That's what I
have on mine, with a pant guard in the outer position. Fender needed
notching, but tire is fine. One great thing about this setup, that I've
never hea
So I'm not sure what happened with the delay in the public message here,
but Paul was nice enough to respond and we finished this conversation by
PM. Just wanted to say though that, for anyone considering this, you
should take a good hard look. His bike is gorgeous and, as I told Paul,
it's a
Don't beat yourself up, john. You would have only had a 5 second window to get
one anyway. I wonder what it would cost to have Blue Lug ship one.
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Total speculation:
the QB was conceived as a low cost, utilitarian bike with minimal frills. The
stamped steel dropouts were stong and effective (not to mention ingenious at
the time), but not especially pretty. The FJ was intended to be very much the
opposite.
Plus, manufacturing and desi
First production QBs ended up being made by Panasonic, I believe.
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That's speaking your peace and countin' to three for certain!
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On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 6:49:23 AM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
>
> Biggest impulse purchase ever, but such an easy riding bike, and fun for
> the whole family! Wanted the sage colorway in size small. Alas, they ran
> out, so we settled on orange in medium — less good, because it’s more
>
Congrats. That's really cool you found one. Don't beat it up "too" much.
My 2 cents:
- If by "riv stock" you mean nitto, consider using a different, cheap
seatpost for a while. The kid seat will most likely clamp around the post
and mar it up. Not long after that, you'll likely get a trai
Max, I didn't read your message properly at first. Don't know if you
noticed, but there are still small sage Hubba Hubba frames available, while
the mediums are long gone. I know its a hassle but I'd bet you could find
someone who wants that orange medium, since its the most needed size, and
I learned of and watched a "new" charlie brown christmas special this
year. Had me cracking up - despite some eerie, seemingly prophetic
allegories to the current political climate and me-too movement. Here's a
snipit, but there's much more of the same where this came from:
https://www.youtub
Cross-post of potential interest for you, Max:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/C-GR9CSI-TI
On Thursday, February 22, 2018 at 10:40:46 AM UTC-7, Max S wrote:
>
> Just like it says on the tin: have an orange size medium Rivendell
> Hubbuhubbuh Tandem, but would prefer a size
Well if nothing else, it is a timely topic. The following headlines just
started coming across my news feed, from today's news cycle. NBC, BBC, New
York Magazine, Wall Street Journal, CBS. All talking about how such
boycots are having an effect. It's a veritable mainstream media
conspiracy,
On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 12:14:48 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> I would like to see Riv make a bigger commitment to their entire clothing
> line. Between my Hunqapillar and Rambouillet I'm all set, bike-wise, so
> I've pretty much hit a wall in terms of hardware needs. But I'm always i
Yes, today was the deadline, right? If anybody hears, please post an
update. I'm sure little ol' me can't have much effect but, if it helps put
things over the edge, I can try to defer some other expenses to get a
couple more credits and/or purchase something that I wan't but don't yet
need.
Hopefully I can put this here and everybody will understand I do so for
interest's sake only. REI joins the boycot:
https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-news/rei-halts-orders-popular-outdoor-brands-including-camelbak-bell-giro-response-nra-boycott/
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On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 8:34:47 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
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>
>
> Grant has pictures and comments on his latest blagh just saw it this
> morning...
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/early-march
>
>
>
Really cool bike! But what I want to know is "what is the
Very interesting news. So many questions
Ironically, the 2016 geometry revisions - particularly the addition of the
59cm/650b - have had me seriously trying to figure out how to swing an
Atlantis purchase for the first time ever. I've continued to think of that
model as my aspirational ze
That's my understanding too, which is why it's such a curious decision. Made
sense for the limited-run FJS, but presumably this will remain a permanent
model. 6 degree top tube indicates fewer configurations / sizes likely.
Another thing about the FJS is that it didn't require cable routing
Maybe "tunnels" like Ritchey and Potts used?
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 8:18:42 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
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> With a Tiawan-built Atlantis 'a little bit more' than an Appaloosa is
> there a compelling reason to hold on to the Appaloosa in Riv's line up?
> ... That leaves the AHH, Roadeo, Hunq and MUSA Atlantis frames in the
> r
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 8:18:42 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the next Rosco/Roadini project should be a Rosco-Hunq.
>>
>>
>> Also, I kind of think that that's exactly what the Clem Smith Jr.
project was: Just as the Rosco Bubbes' impetus grew out of a stockpile of
... I mean think of this: There was a long period of time during which
Rivendell was the ONLY bike company who offered road and touring- type
bikes with rational tire clearance and a proper fit. The beautiful frame
details and business ethic were simply icing on the cake. Nowadays, you
can't
It was actually Dave who used (qoined - no pun intended) the "penny difference"
analogy.
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So everybody realizes that the picture on the Blug is of a 26" wheel bike,
and that it exaggerates the appearance of chainstay length, right?
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:39:15 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ryan: I know nothing about modern mountain bikes and am mystified by the
> geomet
Oops. I was typing while Grant was responding. i don't think I
contradicted him.
So here are some semi-related questions that I'm thinking about with the
the backdrop of today's news over the newly escalating trade war:
- Do tariffs and sanctions on China affect Taiwan as well? Or are they
Jeesh, you guys. I think that I, or maybe most of us, forget how
idiosyncratic our world views are. I'm certainly guilty of forgetting
that most of this forum is made up of people how live in or near urban
areas and ride on paved surfaces - however 'rough' they may be. But
remember that on
-chainstay All Rounder (ie: Atlantis) the 'fringe' bike among them -
unless they're talking the 'other' end of the spectrum.
<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-SFA4zo-kSSQ/WrQvWVPsnKI/L_g/YRDFscaaPwsQpB0em5U6RHndb0zq6UgXgCLcBGAs/s1600/4WYSteeds.jpg>
On
>
> .
>
>
> You have snow on the ground 7 months a year? If so, maybe your "other
> bike" should be something like this
>
>
>
:-) You mock, but if you only knew here's the road and hot springs 10
miles from my house. These tourists are shuttled up on dog sleds, riding
side-by-side with
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 9:55:05 PM UTC-6, phil k wrote:
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> Iono I'm liking the new Atlantis better.
Me too. It just looks "right" for what it is. Or at least for what I've
personally always wanted an Atlantis for - which is a fat/knobby-tired road
bike that i can comfortably ride on
On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:31:15 PM UTC-6, Dave Small wrote:
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> I've been out on a 6-day tour and mostly offline, and got home today to
> the Blug and this 128-post (as I type) string. I've just read through 'em
> all and Scott is the only one who's broached the thing I latched onto wh
That graph is cool. A bit like a venn diagram, but better. Here's an
interesting open source diagram that compares stack and reach of various
known bikes. I bet this service/function could be used to map "function,"
too, by someone more ambitious than me:
https://public.tableau.com/shared/2Z
On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 11:46:05 AM UTC-6, Kainalu V. wrote:
>
>
> Is that in fact the case? Covering tig welds with a brass fillet? I
> assumed it would be more like a tigged front triangle with brass in the
> back. I know that some builders use electric welding of one type or another
>
Again, purely a guess on my part. Hope I'm right.
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It's akin to high-centering on a speed bump in a car with low clearance and a
long wheelbase.
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On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:46:53 AM UTC-7, Connor wrote:
>
> I always thought the XOs and early All-Rounders were way ahead of their
> time. Perhaps too far ahead of their time? Back then 28 mm tires were
> considered huge for road bikes. How times have changed! Question for those
> who
Jan 13, 2020, 5:43 pm
That's actually a 59 or 60, FWIW. (He gives C-C dimensions.) Probably
makes it too big for Kevin, but does makes it ever rarer. Not many were
made in that size using 26" wheels.
On Monday, January 13, 2020 at 5:10:44 PM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I despair of ever
Yes, congratulations and please post some pictures that you wouldn't mind me
copying. I neglected to save the listing photo, but I at one time assembled a
collection of images of most (or all?) other known All Rounders in those large
58-61cm sizes.
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I have a Quickbeam and a Rambouillet - both from 2006, both 60cm. On
paper, they look like they should be extremely similar... but they don't
feel that way to me. The only geometry difference is that the QB has 1/2
degree shallower head tube AND 2.5mm less fork rake, which I suppo
7:54 am 10/15/19
With my first-run aluminum boscos, I was eventually able to tighten them enough
to quit slipping, but I still didn't like how much they flexed/twisted. So I
ended up with the steel bullmoose version which are perfect in every way. If I
ever try the aluminum ones again, I'll us
Here's another perspective on the weight vs. frame stiffness vs. stem
type:
I think I would probably prefer the stouter tubing and
not-inconsequentially-bigger frame size of the large sized Gus over the
equivalent Susie, but I got the later instead. Ironically, I chose this
precisely becaus
Having seen a few comments from Grant lately, to the effect of "if you want
a single-speed, don't shift" I'd be surprised.
On the other hand, perhaps the "groovy thing that none of our other bikes
has ever had," for the contemplated Roadini, is a track end dropout with a
derailleur hanger attac
If you can return that rack, the pletscher clem rack would work well. There is
a built-in quick release system that allows you to use their basket or modify
one of your choosing. The flat, steel tabs at the bottom of the struts could
work with wingnuts on fixed studs for easy on/off mounting.
*Huh. That could well be it. For some reason, my mind was picturing
something in a little yellower or bluer, and "duller," green - more along
the lines of one of these:*
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d6/2e/8b/d62e8b8c6a14568cde52fdaed1f7e08e.jpg
https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5
On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 4:07:04 PM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On 8/3/16, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
> > wrote:
> > They should go with John Deere Green and yellow panels. ;>)
>
> ^ been thar done that - see for example the 1987 MB-2.
>
>
And more recently by Surly:
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 5:16:36 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 4:07:04 PM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/3/16, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
>>> wrote:
I'm sorry:
https://youtu.be/9z7NJ2RjADk
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You guys are crazy. EVERYONE needs a Jones. And I say that with no intent of
irony or jest whatsoever.
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Cam, having the non-bull moose version on my clem, I tend to think it is
mostly a positive. I ended up with and prefer the ends rotated downward much
more than the fixed position on the b.m., primarily because it makes the 3rd
grip position (at the downward curve) usable and comfortable. If t
I'm most often in between sizes these days with the newer models, and have
struggled with this question an awful lot. I think Bill's advice above is
generally spot-on, but will add a few anecdotes of my own, as possible
other things to think about.
1) Sometimes another legacy bike model (or
Does anybody happen to have a 60cm Chev, and would you be willing to take some
measurements and photos of the tire clearance? Also (or maybe more important),
is the tightest spot at the fork blades or the chainstays or the brakes
themselves?
The last call revelation plus the new colors have
Thanks, Bob & Eric. Not the answer i hoped for, but helpful.
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Kind of a shame. If the Clem L is killing the Chev, i almost think this is
more of the reason than the price. A hunq fork crown and cantis (and bottle
cage brazeons?) could transform the Chev into a perfect bike for me. I wonder
if heel clearance would be an issue with brakes mounted on the m
Kind of a shame. If the Clem L is killing the Chev, i almost think this is
more of the reason than the price. A hunq fork crown and cantis (and bottle
cage brazeons?) could transform the Chev into a perfect bike for me. I wonder
if heel clearance would be an issue with brakes mounted on the m
Kellie, I read through all the above responses only quickly, but one thing
I don't think I saw mentioned was the issue of toe clip overlap (TCO), or
likelihood of interference between your foot and the front tire during
slow-speed maneuvering and tight turns. For how you describe wanting to
pr
Also
If you really want to use the bike primarily for trail riding, I'm not sure
the long chainstays of the Appaloosa are the best option. I have a Clem
that's even longer, so my experience is base on that: I do like it and I
do ride it on trails and it is undeniably comfortable on rough
I'm with Alex - that, based on your description, the problem is still
likely in the headset. Except I'd go a step further. When you said "they
added a spacer because the headset had bottomed out on the threads," did
you mean they added a spacer between the locknut and the threaded top race
c
Looks like there may be a spacer between the top cup and headtube? (Looks like
a small gap/shadow line to me) If so, that's pretty unusual and the likely
culprit. Easy to get things crooked as you add more pieces and interfaces.
Show us a pic of the bottom, too. After my last post, i started
Before i forget, another way to solve the "running out of threads" issue is to
cut more threads. Since you only need a few, it's not a big deal to do this
with the thread chasing tool, if the mechanic is willing. The lock nut and
most of the threaded top cap will still engage the stronger, fac
Tony,
I think I may retract some of what I've said above. I always stress out
about being an arm-chair mechanic and giving bad advice so, once I've said
something, I keep going over it in my head and thinking about how I might
have been wrong. In this case, I think the added shim is NOT where
Are you talking geometry, lugged joints or overall aesthetics? I'm not
sure the later two would be possible, even "faked," because of the joining
methods that will work with Ti. Tig is your only option, I think. Also, I
have two Ti bikes. One is stiff because it's a compact frame, but the
l
How tall are you? I ask because, for tall people, there's a bigger difference
between Surlys and Rivs than for medium or shorter people. Surly's stack
heights / head tube lengths dont grow proportionately the way Riv's do with the
bigger frames. So you likely end up with a huge stack of stem
I posted this somewhere before, but I got the Clem rack to fit on the back
of my 59cm Clem, with 60mm Super Moto tires and SKS B65 fenders just fine,
with a little modification. 15 minutes with a Dremdel tool. I cut the
rivets at the rear stays and relocated them to the outside of the mounting
One more random possibility to add to the list, which has plagued me in the
past. Fits with the "one click per revolution" description:
If I understand correctly, you are using two chainrings. Are there any
rivets or screws on your largest ring? If it has a pin on the outside,
intended to
I have a 60 Ram. My PBH is 87cm, and my saddle ht. is 76cm. I use a selle an
atomica which is fairly low profile, so more seatpost exposed than with most
saddles. I'm on my phone so don't have access to pics, but recall posting one
in following thread (2nd of two posts from me).
https://grou
Link didnt work. Try this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/rbw-owners-bunch/k-aguYZOq8I/c5axN8jDTJIJ
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