thing
that just rests against the head tube.
That website has an entire category for these
things: http://www.pets2bed.com/site/1405195/page/888771
Paul
On Monday, January 28, 2013 11:40:45 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's cute. Segue-ing violently: How have any of y&#x
what they have
done.
God bless and enable you to heal quickly.
Paul in Dallas
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thanks to both of you for responding. the chainring definitely wins the
aesthetics contest but i may ultimately end up with that tanaka mount that
realizes what i was trying to jerryrig with my zipties. for me nothing
beats having the light mounted in the center.
paul
takoma park, md
wrote:
> lol. As soon as I saw this, I knew you had to be the guy who removed the
> head badge on what is now my Green Rosco.
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Sold. Thanks!
>>
>> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 05:34:25 UTC-8 Paul M w
tim you've done the right thing. i wanna see that roady homer with
downtube shifters!!
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I wouldn't be surprised if RBW dropped the Homer Hilsen from their line-up
and replaced it with the Charlie H. Gallop (expected next year). Especially
since it looks to have longish chainstays and uses the same caliper brakes
as the Homer. Different frame design but similar "country bike" vibes.
170 mm
On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 5:42:58 PM UTC-8 Paul Choi wrote:
> I purchased this crankset new from VO in 2021 but never used them. If you
> need one for a Roaduno build, this might be a good opportunity. 44t 110
> BCS. $120 shipped. I'm in Santa Clara CA - if you are
110 BCD
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installation. $55 shipped
The Ritchey Force stem is made by Nitto from the early 90's. 100mm reach
with zero rise but will give ~6 degree rise once mounted. 26.0 handlebar
clamp. Excellent condition. $60 shipped.
More pictures if interested, just reach out off this site. Thanks, Paul
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re comfortable and just as capable.
I'd love to see photos of everyone's terrain. Here are a few of my Gus that
show some of the gnarlier stuff I rode on a 20 mile single track and path
ride a couple sundays ago:
https://www.pandastuff.net/nextcloud/index.php/s/teREsXEdGSErnGk
Paul in
stuff and if it
gets chunky or steep a slightly lower saddle gives you the space to stand
up and move back enough.
It's really only when stuff gets scary steep and you want your butt way
behind the saddle that it's a problem, and if that's less than 10% of your
riding, a QR (or a wren
or path cruising is about 71cm, but, like I said, I drop it
a couple CM for riding single track, and I don't always put it back up. For
the medium Gus, my saddle height is just slightly too low to run a
Carradice bag with a bagman rack, but it works great with a more typical
rear rack. It
rims that are something like Alex DM 24s,
and the finish wore off almost instantly, so at least the balck
Cliffhangers are doing better than that.
Paul in AR
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 11:49:10 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think they only offered black or silver in machined and
ere.
If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I
hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more
aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.
So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I
think thes
ll an
alright bike.
But it's gotta be something about the trail and the ratio of rider weight
over the front and back ends. So as rake increases, the rear end might also
increase. I dunno, I'd love to make an spreadsheet.
Paul in AR
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:32:53 AM UTC-6 Chr
x27;t work
so good.
Paul in AR
On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:03:26 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
> What do y'all think about putting friction bar end shifters on Albatross
> bars for a new rider?
>
> I'm just looking for opinions since I'm stumped on this b
ke 5 bikes that are too big and at this point
there's no use throwing good money after bad, until we know it's small
enough and functional.
Even so, I'll always wonder whether she would have like friction bar ends
better :)
Paul
On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 8:01:40 PM U
Oh, and HAHAHA, of course Riv has the Claris 8 speed rapid fire shifter in
stock.
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:49:46 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
> Thanks Mike and Scott for the tip on the v brake setup. I'll give it a go
> as is, and it probably won't be a problem.
&g
;t really want to futz around with
all that. I guess that's what Joe is saying.
Thanks everyone for all the thoughts.
Paul
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
> I don't want to learn how to shoot a rifle and don't use friction shifting
> for
. Maybe I'll eve take the set of black Loscos I have, and let
her try them, but they'd go out on indefinite loan only. I'm attached to
them, even though they don't work for me.
And if it doesn't fit, which given her track record is a real possibility,
the bike will be in
ere is
one out there that does.
Paul in AR
On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:08:04 AM UTC-6 Stephanie A. wrote:
> As I continue to change things on my current bike, I've realize that what
> I really want is a book that helps me understand building up and
> maintaining a bik
ied a couple types of Jagwire and a couple types of Shimano and the
plain Salmon kool stops and the dual compound v type 2 are leaps and bounds
better than any other ones.
Paul in AR
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 7:56:57 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
> Hey, Bunch:
>
> What v-brake pads are yo
27;m curious if anyone can actually compare the two.
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vious of anyone taking that cruise every day. She's said she'd
like to do it, and I'll do what I can to facilitate.
Paul
On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 10:06:16 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
> Friction and albatross bars are great. I didn't know how to use them when
&
Nice Joe! I've had my eyes on one of their Jammer bags for a while. I need
to move my cargo up front now that I'm riding with a copilot attached to my
seat tube.
It's worth mentioning that they make bags for Velo Orange too!
Paul in Arr
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 3
get the Bebe on the road. I can
tell you it's just as fun without a kid on the front as it is with one. The
extra load just adds to the stability.
Paul
On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:29:39 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
> I own both, but I have never completed the Bebe build [everything
t
another parent and kid to have the wonderful experience my daughter and I
had for the couple years she fit the Yepp seat, so if there's a
more-or-less drop-in replacement out there, I want to know about it.
Paul
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:59:34 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
> I
parents I know, but I don't have that kind
of network these days.
Paul
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 9:35:49 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:
> Ah, got it. Well, I’m sure you’ll find the Clem rides great. I had one for
> a bit and I liked it.
>
> That said, I had a bike years ago (S
20
people commit to buy them.
On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 10:29:17 AM UTC-6 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey Paul,
>
> I sent you an email but not sure if you got it. I’m a new a parent and
> while I’ve got other Rivs that I plan to use with a kid seat, I’ve
> definitely been
replacement before I do. But hey, my daughter might be pedaling her own
bike in the next couple weeks, so I may not even need a townie for much
longer, so who knows how this'll all shake out.
Thanks,
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bar width, doesn't work with my optimum stem length.
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On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:07:45 PM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey Everyone!
> In theory, if one was to switch to wider handlebars, I would assume the
> stem length would have to
lieve, and
it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry changes, but I'd
really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be at the top
end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
Paul in AR
On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6
It will probably go to a new home. Various permutations of various stables
are percolating.
Paul
On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:17:07 PM UTC-6 Slin wrote:
> Thanks, Ray.
>
> Paul - so what did you decide? Did the Rosco Bebe find a new kid/family?
>
> On Tuesday, December
>>>>>>>>>> Black
>>>>>>>>>> (like your repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful
>>>>>>>>>> colors.
>>>>>>>>>> There are probably others I have not seen but that silver has my
>>>
saddle height". Go down from
there based on what feels comfortable to your knees and hips on the type of
riding you're doing.
These are just my thoughts as I've searched for saddle height nirvana and
found that it only really exists in the moment.
Paul in AR
On Monday, December 1
hat
grabs the top of the hole where the crank bolt goes and it gets the zero
point of the tape close enough to the center of the crank that it's never
been a problem, or at least it keeps my measurements fairly consistent.
Paul in AR
On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:41:33 PM UTC-6 lcon
Richard,
I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't
think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly
won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the
2.8" G-ones.
So if you want Cliffhangers on yo
y close to the rim
so that the arms were as vertical as possible. But it was too close for
comfort, and I did hear some rubbing occasionally, but not sure what was
deforming to cause it ...
Paul in AR
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 12:54:46 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
> Shimano Deores are
This just reminded me ... I scored some 27.5x2.8" WTB Rangers the other
day. I wonder if they'll be taller on the cliffhangers.
On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 5:53:35 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
> Thanks for the chart Laing!
>
> Deore's and many others cle
u, so I expect panniers might be in order, so maybe
just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will scratch the
itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
Paul in AR
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to se
6WXvfcHQdT5k9>, near Tallahassee, is definitely
worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, and riding
there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know about. But
a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink holes is a very
Thanks David and Joe,
I just remembered to ask ... any recommendations for cheap 26" wheel
specific racks, rear mostly, but either I guess.
The 700c compatible racks I have around sit so far above the rear wheel
that the seat basically goes all the way down on top of them :`(
Paul
On F
forks.
Paul in AR
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 8:46:54 PM UTC-6 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
> Thanks, Leah, for the heads up for the long legged of us who happen to be
> non-facebook-users! That is certainly Will’s Mega Roscoe MTN Mixte and I
> think made in the single digits (I gues
Freaking gorgeous! I'd love to see some higher res close ups of that bike.
Thanks for sharing.
Paul in AR
On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:50:46 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/?mibextid=6NoCDW
> by *Bruce Herbitter*
>
> U
Sure resembles the original Breezer Series 1mountain bikes. Diagonal tube,
Magura motorcycle brake levers, TA Specialties crankset, Brooks B-72...nice!
On Wednesday, 21 December 2022 at 16:55:56 UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
> Yes! Spoke to Bailey at Sincere Cycles here in Santa Fe about it. Wal
Thanks for sharing y'all. I love all the different conditions and distances
and reasons for riding. It's all very Rivish to me.
Paul
On Tuesday, January 3, 2023 at 6:06:17 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>
> Was able to start off the year with 31 miles on my Sam Hillsborne
If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that the
last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus & Susie shipment that just arrived,
will be it for that those models being made. So last chance at owning a
beautiful ATB frameset.
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Would you mind letting the list know what size they are when you find out?
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On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 11:42:52 AM UTC-6 mmille...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes
> <https://www.faceb
My recent Susie calls for a 26.8 seatpost but with the stock Kalloy
seatpost there is a fair amount of play. I had a 27.0 Kalloy seatpost that
fit snug and solved the problem. I'm not sure a Nitto 26.8 seatpost would
have solved the problem for this frame.
On Thursday, 26 January 2023 at 17:06:
be on the 56cm and smaller frames.
On Tuesday, 31 January 2023 at 16:30:47 UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
> I wasn’t going to mention to very nice Large gold Susie I have listed on
> here but I guess it’s okay. Haha. That green looks super nice Paul! I’m
> glad you were able to snag a
Kim, these are not from Rew10 but may suit your fancy.
http://www.monebikes.com/store/stem-caps-made-of-brass
-Paul
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 9:23:17 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am ISO/WTB two (2) hex brass value caps from Rew10 Works.
>
> I am aware of the BLUE LUG sell
The BQs have been claimed.
I will accept just about any reasonable offer (I'll consider just about
anything that isn't a single digit number) on the V brakes. I don't need
them and I'd love for them to be put to use!
paul
takoma park, md.
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All finished! Thanks everyone for helping me lighten up.
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their bicycle safety training in whatever form works
for them.
Paul Lamontagne
On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 5:03 PM Pam Bikes wrote:
> The last email from Will where he talks about fear of drivers and dicey
> roads makes me a little sad b/c it seems like people are getting
> discouraged from
been very happy with Allways and Gammas.
thanks for any feedback
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experience if I do.
thanks
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How much for the bars?
On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 3:33 PM Mike Packard wrote:
> I put some on my Atlantis and now it won't fit in the bike locker at work
> :D
>
> Mike in Austin
>
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:57:18 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Dang, that's a lovely bike Liz! Hopefull
This apparently is in near me (northwest Arkansas) if anyone wants a proxy.
Listed on Craigslist now:
https://fayar.craigslist.org/bik/d/bentonville-rivendell-quickbeam-58cm/7657837282.html
Paul in AR
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:52:45 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
> PSA, 58 &quo
ted to keep going.
I did find that both of my kids were super overstimulated by their first
couple of rides on the Thule and starting with short, slow circles around
the neighborhood was right for their temperaments.
Biking with kids is the best. Start 'em young.
paul
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hi there
i'm in search of two, actually--i'd like a short watermelon and the
original color scheme before rainbow. the muted hues. please holler if
you've got an extra!
thanks!
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thanks!
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thanks erics for the responses. having never used one, i didn't consider
that switching cogs on a DOS would affect the brakepads, but that does make
a lotta sense.
hoping to see lots of different builds on the UNO.
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Hi, I'm new here, all my Rivendell ownership is currently confined to their
components all over my Riv-esque bikes, Soma Saga, New Albion Privateer,
Schwinn High Sierra (that one is destined to be replaced with a proper Riv)
Omnium Cargo. It would be nice to have the main course and not just be
I sold all but one of my Brooks and Selle Anatomica's (I have a B67 if
anyone's looking) and have replaced them all with Ergon SF and one
Rivendell Clem saddle. I always wear regular clothes when riding and the
Ergon SF is less uncomfortable than all the leather saddles were for me.
The Riv is
that with wheelbase
etc. The Platypus is relatively sensible in comparison. But this is about
bicycles, and bicycles are “inherently” sensible so, surely, anything goes
right?
Paul Donald
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> On Feb 26, 2024, at 3:21 PM, Mackenzy Albright
>
I wish I could test ride some of these bikes! I am certainly taken by the
aesthetics of the larger Clems, but my eyes may not be sensible guides for
actual ride fit. Graham and fiddleharpa (sorry, I can only see your email
handle here), your pbh's are greater than mine, which is at 85.5, and I s
I use a steerstopper on my Soma Saga that's fitted with a Crust Clydesdale
fork. That fork can be loaded up quite heavily, which is what I do with the
giant basket I have on it. Even with the frame up on a double leg stand the
fork will still swing if the ground is not level. So I lock the steer
I have a set of the VO Granola Bars and a set of the chromo Bosco's at 52
width. Both in silver.
Was thinking about keeping the Bosco's for a Riv that I'm in glacial-paced
negotiations about but i think I might prefer something with a lot less
rise. Message me if you'd like and we can talk pri
Did you sell this?
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-8 benjamin...@gmail.com wrote:
> Parting ways with my nearly new Rosco Platypus. Located in Chicago. More
> pictures available upon request.
>
> Deore 11-speed crankset (32t/175mm crankarms)
> Deore 11-speed derailleur
> Deore 11-
i have up for grabs the three most recent issues of BQ--nos. 83, 84, and
85. yours for $9, paypal f+f or cash.
thanks
paul
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One thing, I think, that separates Riv road bikes from other brands is the
maintaining of good fit AND handling geometry at the smaller frame sizes
this thread is dealing with. The 700c wheel size has to be dealt with
because they physically "get in the way" of good geometry more as the
frames
i've got a copy of the older edition, which is spiral bound and has spaces
to log details about your ride. no writing in mine. send me $5 paypal f+f
and it's all yours.
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thanks all
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I purchased a Sergio green Roadini from the last run of framesets. The tig
welding on this frame had some very poor welding beads. Definitely not what
I would expect on a $1300 frame. Maybe it was just this frame, but I feel
that it certainly could have been on the other Roadini's. That could
e
yeah, John, I had the same thought. I might do a search on youtube or
something for a review that shows it actually working.
Paul
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 11:46:20 AM UTC-6 John Bokman wrote:
> Thanks for the recommendation Paul. I'm wondering if the front arm can be
&
may spring for one of these next time I need another rack, which may be
never, but it'd really encourage me to put fenders back on some of my bikes.
Paul
On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 1:55:02 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
> yeah, John, I had the same thought. I might do a search on
ixels) for Google Groups to accept it. Otherwise, nothing
will happen and it won't tell you what's wrong. Here's an inline image with
a red circle around the icon:
[image: Screenshot 2023-03-04 100128.png]
Paul in AR
P.S. It's worth making sure the photo isn't real big
Got any photos? Interested.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 4:10 PM clayt...@gmail.com
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Hope you are doing well.
> Have a HUBBUHUBBUH Med F/F/H for sale.
> Also, have all the parts to make it a bike if of interest (silver cranks,
> Riv wheels, etc.)
> Local pickup in Healdsburg, CA o
media.
Paul in AR
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 3:43:13 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
> It has been 16+ years since I bought my daughter little kid/big size
> Legos, but I seem to recall that back in the old days (he said bitterly)
> that Legos were simply standard shapes out of which t
Doug,
I'm currently installing the Honjo H80 62mm smooth fenders on my daughter's
51cm Joe Appaloosa (650b) with 42mm Grand Bois tires. These fenders fit
without any special bending, cutting, or manipulation and I would consider
these the widest fender that will fit. Hope that he
That's an idea Doug, however by reshaping the 63mm 700c fender to fit the
smaller diameter 650b you would be widening the fender. You would probably
want to start with a fender that's more narrower.
Paul
On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 3:34:50 PM UTC-6 Edwin W wrote:
> Berthoud 60
I'm planning on going to garage sale on Saturday. Is anyone else here
planning on going?
Hope to see some of the locals there.
Cheers,
Paul in Santa Clara
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gt;
> "A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>
> (Tolkien fans: you know.)"
>
> PERFECT.
>
> Paul M: I believe that Platypus-looking frame is indeed a Platy sans
> decals and with a replacement fork.
>
> Joe Bernard
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at
ink this would work for you. Hopefully it's still
> avail.
>
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:22:37 PM UTC-4 Graham McCall wrote:
>
>> Paul- is this still available??
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 10:12:36 AM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>&g
SOLD
On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 8:15:10 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
> I purchased this frame and fork from Rivendell last year. I just replaced
> it with another Rivendell. Excellent condition. No trades. Let me know if
> you have any questions. You can pick it up if you are loca
Sold. Thanks.
On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 20:31:52 UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
> Another set mounted on my Hillibike.
>
> On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 20:24:04 UTC-7 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Nice multi-purpose tires with a tread design for off-road and street use
>> that h
k for some. their fixedness
obviously makes for a riskier purchase than separate stem+bars, so i'd love
to hear your experience before i take the plunge!
thanks in advance
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is a treasure trove of photos--totally forgot to look there first.
time to start saving my allowance!
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i'll join the queue!
i'm looking for a 580mm boscomoose, not real picky on condition. if you
can ship it cheaper than bluelug, please send me a note!
thanks
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you have tips and tricks for using these things.
All the best,
Paul in AR
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>>>>> my Hunqapillar with Alba's. I'm hoping a Nitto NP stem will get the Ortho
>>>>> bars down low enough as my saddle is a lot closer to the frame than Uncle
>>>>> Ron's saddle is. If the bars slip in the NP stem slips, I may try a 4
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> On Jun 12, 2023, at 9:18 AM, Paul Clifton wrote:
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> welp, they didn't last very long ...
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> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:19:25 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Hey all, in a recent video (May 31, 2
A ferry ride to tour around the islands sounds like a great way to spend a
few days. I'd love to do some camping up that way.
Paul
On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 5:33:40 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
> That sounds and looks like an awesome time! I recently took a ferry to
> Orcas Island
How much steer tube does this require above the headset?
I think it might work on my Boulder All Road.
Paul in AR
On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:39:13 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
> Hey all,
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> Got a stem I'm looking to pass along, maybe someone here could use it?
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> Nitto
In the larger sizes that's not too far from the Roadeo. The Roadeo has a
characteristic slacker seat tube to allow an easier saddle-back position
with Brooks saddles and the chainstays are a bit longer. The current
version of the Roadeo has slightly longer chain stays than the original and
slig
@chris, I should use faceplaters, and might as I settle into a stem length
I like. But I also just love the way a nitto technomic looks with the bolt
tucked underneath. I got talked out of a 64 Clem, the issue being the
seattube being possibly too long for me. I did notice that the reach is the
Races have rules, that's where the "fun" or competition resides, pushing
yourself agains the constraints, artificial as they may be. Group rides one
would assume is more about a case of social negotiation. If someone is, or
has been, a valued member of a group but becomes in need of assistance d
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