Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
I guess we're all going to have to wait until someone from Rivendell explains the cautionary note. On 08/15/2015 12:33 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: I would think a single legger would inflict more twisting than a double legger. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 6:30:53 PM UTC-7,

[RBW] Re: Oh but I love my Ram!

2015-08-15 Thread Michael Hechmer
I just reread my note and see that I meant to write 44/30 rings. It's been quite a while since I installed that BB & I haven't thought about it since. I don't think it's a White, just the vanilla Japanese BB that Riv sells. No noise whatsoever. The only advice I can offer is to call White.

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread WETH
Yes, Surly does say not to use one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, se

[RBW] Re: How to try DT shifters on a blue Sam?

2015-08-15 Thread Arthur Mayfield
I got a No 33, which fits 31-34mm (Sam's downtube is 32.3mm, iirc). I taped the inside surface of the clamp with 3M packing tape and it held securely and didn't mar the paint. Inner tube might work, but it might be too thick or might slide around. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 5:54:52 PM UTC-4

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Tom Harrop
My 68 cm Bombadil didn't like having a two-leg stand attached to the plate. It was never that stable, the stand kept coming loose and the plate ended up deformed. On the other hand my better half has one attached to the plate on her 54 cm Homer and it's fine (four years, no problems). There is

[RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

2015-08-15 Thread Bill
Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS snailmail takes a little longer but provides some degree of protection coverage with mail fraud laws. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this g

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

2015-08-15 Thread Hugh Smitham
Sure I'd accept that method of payment. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Bill wrote: > Another FWIW: A USPS Postal Money Order sent by ordinary USPS sn

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread john muhl
My often loaded Atlantis has a deformed kickstand plate due to the double-legger but the never loaded with more than a few pounds Betty Foy plate is still like new after a couple of years of DL kickstand usage. Seems like sound advice they've added to the site; had I been advised likewise my At

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Kieran J
In what way are the plates deforming? Bent or bulged up or something? Interested to know more. Is it a matter of Riv bikes having their plates enhanced to be made more resiliant to heavier stresses then? Would a thicker reinforcement be their solution to this? KJ On Friday, August 14, 2015 a

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Ginz
I have an unused plestcher double legger if anyone wants to experiment... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@google

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Frankly, having tried Pletscher and VO 2-leg stands, as well as the usual Greenfeld bb stand, I've found left rear dropout stands most effective at holding up a bike under assymetrical rear loads, even with 20 lb in the pannier on the stand-side and none on the opposite. That said, I remember some

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Kainalu
I use the top plated double legger on my Hillborne and have been carelessly overloading it for 3+ years. No problems ever but I should have a closer look (not having examined the chainstays since I installed the kickstand I'm a bit nervous to, I'll let you know...) -Kai -- You received this me

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Tom Harrop
Patrick, I think you may be referring to the Ursus Jumbo. I tried it, it was OK but it kept coming loose. Anyway, I'm with you on the left rear dropout stands, as I said—I found it much better particularly when loading up a stuffed saddlesack large. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

2015-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
Damn... On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Sure I'd accept that method of payment. > > ~Hugh > > “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” > ― Albert Einstein > > http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/ > > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 9:00 AM,

[RBW] Re: How to try DT shifters on a blue Sam?

2015-08-15 Thread Lungimsam
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[RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread Lungimsam
The kind with lots of sudden, deep, and uneven ruts, loose, big gravel chunks, roots, and rocks that stick up 6 inches from the dirt that your front tire will slam into when you can't see them coming because the shade is so dark? Don't wanna trash my Synergies or bend my fork blades doing this.

[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread Deacon Patrick
Cool! You're gonna have a blast and learn a lot. Remember all your gears, including your two feet. LCG (lowest common gear) is part of every bike. Grin. The simple answer: Yes, but not riding like you describe. The longer answer: This ain't about speed, despide any videos of insane downhilling

Re: [RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread Patrick Moore
My brother Peter at over 200 lb has ridden his Merlin and RB-1 road bikes with 23s on singletrack, perhaps not quite as rocky and rutted as yours, but certainly technically challenging. He used to enjoy leaving much younger, fully suspended riders behind uphill, and came close to the the fastest do

Re: [RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread Patrick Moore
As The Deacon says, riding technique is the key. On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > My brother Peter at over 200 lb has ridden his Merlin and RB-1 road bikes > with 23s on singletrack, perhaps not quite as rocky and rutted as yours, > but certainly technically challenging. H

Re: [RBW] Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
Can a Sam fit Rock N Roads? If not, the next tire down is WTB Nano 40. Either one of those should get you wherever you want to go, just slower than someone on 2" tires. The only place the narrower width is really unpleasant is in sandy terrain. But that doesn't sound like a problem. If you start r

[RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

2015-08-15 Thread Johnny Alien
As an FYI it's actually untrue that a postal money order has any extra protection. I had someone scam me years back. I paid for the item with a USPS money order under the assumption that anything that happened would be "mail fraud". They never sent the item so I contacted the USPS and they tol

[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread DS
What Patrick said! I'll also add this: I have both a hunqapillar w/ 2.1 smart sams and a sam hillborne (650B) with soma cazaderos 42mm tires w/ tread. Both are capable of some technical trail riding as long as you head Patrick's advice. However, the big difference I've noticed in riding the sam

[RBW] FS: 52CM Blue and Cream Hillborne - Rivendell Albatross Build

2015-08-15 Thread Johnny Alien
Got this bike a little under 2 years ago. It was the last of the 52 frames available before they switched to the 51 size. Jared lucked into finding it for me. It has very few miles on it. It was built up completely by Rivendell and was their Albatross build of the time. I have a full list of

[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread Ginz
I think that the hunqapillar is made for this type of trail. Of course, you should finesse the trail and not slam into things. Your wheels will perish more quickly. But, this is true for any bike. I was thinking about this on my ride today -- I'm so careful with the hunq yet it is probably more

[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread blakcloud
I did it once on my Sam on trails like you described and my take away conclusion was never again. I wasn't worried about the frame breaking or the wheels not being able to handle it, because they can. I think the combination of the low bottom bracket and the Albatross bars made the bike difficu

[RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

2015-08-15 Thread dougP
"PayPal claiming it's a hazard of doing business" So much for the supposed security of electronic payment systems. Hugh, your tale is instructive for us all. When I see all the levels / parties / etc involved in this transaction, I can see why it's attractive to scammers. I'm with you on che

Re: [RBW] Re: questions about buying /selling a bike on this group

2015-08-15 Thread dougP
Funny postal service money order story: I've had a few of those sent to me; maybe people who don't have checking accounts? Anyway, my local mini-post office is in the back of another business, and they can't cash USPS money orders. No biggie, the "big post office" is a 10 minute bike ride aw

[RBW] Re: Can a Blue Sam stand up to these kinds of dirt trails?

2015-08-15 Thread dougP
I think the bike will be fine but you need to think more about your tires. Stuff the biggest thing in there that will fit, and fiddle with tire pressure so you don't pinch flat. On my Atlantis, 40 mm is a sweet spot between on-road efficiency & off-road security. I doubt you'll hurt the Sam

[RBW] Grand Bois Cyprus minimum pressure?

2015-08-15 Thread Lungimsam
170lb rider in an unloaded Sam. 45psi? I want as much Cush as possible but without squirm in cornering. What do you run yours at? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Grand Bois Cyprus minimum pressure?

2015-08-15 Thread Lungimsam
PS- these are the standard casing version. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this gro

[RBW] FS: Mavic MA2 wheelset, chorus hubs, Sachs 13-26 FW

2015-08-15 Thread Joel Stern
Mavic MA2 rims mated to Campy Chorus (I believe these are Chorus) and Campy QR with a SACHS 6 speed 13-26 freewheel. These wheels were not ridden very much, I had 2 700c bikes and this one was a spare bike used for friends once I got the other. I would think these wheels have well under 1,000 mi

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread shawn m.
I used a Pletscher double-legger on my Hunqapillar. This bike is my daily rider, commuter, go everywhere bike; touring, camping, all of it. It was mounted directly to the kickstand plate with the shorty bolt I got from Rivendell. After a friend's partner was left permanently disabled by a colla

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread shawn m.
I meant to say, also, that it had never fallen over while on the kickstand. On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: > > I used a Pletscher double-legger on my Hunqapillar. This bike is my daily > rider, commuter, go everywhere bike; touring, camping, all of it. It was >

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
Double kicker coming off wife's Glorius in 3... 2... On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM, shawn m. wrote: > I meant to say, also, that it had never fallen over while on the kickstand. > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: >> >> I used a Pletscher double-legger on my

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
Here is Surly's position on kickstands for their most robust touring frame: http://surlybikes.com/info_hole/spew/kickstands_on_long_haul_truckers Kind of interesting, Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Grand Bois Cyprus minimum pressure?

2015-08-15 Thread Lungimsam
Also they are 650b -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-ow

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
Here is a Surly LHT with a cracked chainstay right about where a kickstand plate on a Rivendell would be mounted. Granted this bike does have some miles and has been on the road a while, but he doesn't use a kickstand and judging from his experience I'd say your lucky if all that happens is the

[RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread drew
I suppose my thinking and now disappointment came from the idea that a kickstand plate negated crushing or over flexing chainstays. That it solved that problem. I agree with patrick, that I don't know what the purpose of a kickstand plate is, if you can't put a dbl leg one one it. Presumably the