Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Evan wrote: > > Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started a new > follow-up post -- > may I ask you-all some very basic questions about trail? You can get back issues of Bike Quarterly for a reasonable price. A good geometry primer is

Re: [RBW] Re: Raingear

Deacon, I doubt it's as quiet as a cotton chambray shirt, but it is as quiet as an old 60/40 cotton/nylon jacket I have. I absolutely cannot abide a noisy jacket. . . Cheers! lyle On 9 May 2013 22:16, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Thank you, Lyle. Could you do me a favor and tell me how much noise

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Soma forks have 1-1/8 threadless steerers - too big to fit in Riv frames, which are made for 1" steerers. So converting your Riv to low trail isn't quite that easy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owne

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 22:27 -0700, Evan wrote: > Now that this thread has cooled off -- and also because Grant started > a new follow-up post -- may I ask you-all some very basic questions > about trail? This may help: http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/trailcalc.php > > > 1. Does fork rake/offs

Re: [RBW] Re: Raingear

Very helpful, Lyle. May be worth a shot. Thank you! With abandon, Patrick On Friday, May 10, 2013 5:10:52 AM UTC-6, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote: > > Deacon, > > I doubt it's as quiet as a cotton chambray shirt, but it is as quiet as an > old 60/40 cotton/nylon jacket I have. I absolutely canno

Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Dyno Light on a Nitto Mini Front Rack with a Basket?

And 650b wheels-love my 52cm 'Beam! Steve On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Rick Houston wrote: > Dan, the smaller QB's (Erin's was a 52) used sidepulls. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this grou

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Soma forks have 1-1/8 > threadless steerers - too big to fit in Riv frames, which are made for 1" > steerers. So converting your Riv to low trail isn't quite that easy. I do not know about Soma, but the Rene Herse store currently has 1" threadl

[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

I intend to come up from Michigan. I'll roll with your plan to get a sight at Forestville for three nights and return Monday. I can get my own or share, if sharing is a possibility, let me know in a few days, Otherwise I will reserve one next Wed. Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com 269-910-3251

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

actually the smaller wheel diameter of the 650B reduces the trail on the example provided. The mechanical trail per Jim's calculator is 43 mm for the 700c wheel and 40 mm for the 650B wheel. Both would be considered low trail. ~mike > -- You received this message because you are subscr

[RBW] Re: Some details on the midwest Riv and Country Bike Rally

Great! So far I know of three people who reserved sites. Rumor has it that the park rangers are flexible about the number of small tents, so I think you can probably count on sharing a site, if you choose. The campground has a number of non-reservable sites, for those who show up without reserv

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

Thanks, Jan-terrific reading, and it informs the discussion to have it direct from (one of) "the horses mouth" as it were... Steve On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Jan Heine wrote: > I think there is less difference between Grant's ideas and Bicycle Quarterly > than many surmise. We both want ver

[RBW] Re: Tan Sackvilles

My new Tan Sackville SaddleSack arrived in the mail this morning! Took it for a ride and I love it. On the looks...I think tan goes with more color schemes than green or tweed. On Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:25:14 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > Thought I wouldn't like them but now that the pictures a

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

I'm leaning strongly toward a San Marcos, but I can't seem to let go of the idea of having a faster Roadeo. I like to do long solo rides. I ride with others on occasion, but I don’t worry about racing or drafting anybody. I want to be fast (doesn't everybody?) but I also want to be comfortabl

Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R wrote: > I felt it here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ > > > On Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:00:17 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: >> >> That last was meant for Tim :-) >>

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

Some of the things that influence trail include: fork rake head tube angle tire width rim diameter I suspect that the following influence the "feel" of trail: handlebar height handlebar width point-of-balance on the bicycle I've used the trail calculator linked in this thread quit a bit and

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Suggestion Box: San Marcos

It could very well be the tires/wheels that influenced my comparison of the SM to the the Ram. My Roadeo runs on Gran Bois 30 mm. My Ram sported Parigi-Roubaix 27mm (really 29mm) and my SM has Paselas. All of the wheels are traditional box rims laced to Campy hubs. Neither the Ram nor the SM

Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

Mouth harp would work too. On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, "Lee Legrand" wrote: > Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R wrote: > >> I felt it here: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/norro/8651662543/in/set-72157633249441487/ >> >> >> On Thursday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

Indeed. Reminds me of a quote I read in a novel, something like "Academic infighting is so vicious because the stakes are so small." B-) Steve On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:26 PM, RonaTD wrote: > I am completely baffled by people who seem determined to pick a fight over > Jan vs Grant. I know the

[RBW] Fork Crowns (Riv Blug)

* I the latest Riv Blug there’s a cool little photo essay of shots of fork crowns, all found in the East Village of NYC. Before heading out the door this morning I headed down to the basement a snapped a couple quick pics of similar fork crowns. Not great pics - taken with the iPad on the fly,

Re: [RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

or just hambone it! On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Peter Morgano wrote: > Mouth harp would work too. > On May 10, 2013 1:39 PM, "Lee Legrand" wrote: > >> Dont you need to have a harmonica to be a hobo? >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Norman R wrote: >> >>> I felt it here: >>> ht

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

Doug, I know exactly what you mean. I too am looking for a road quick bike that i can put albatross bars on and be COMFORTABLE. Age creeps up on us and riding can become a burden if there is a long recovery. That doesn't make us want to not go faster...it just makes us hurt more if we do. I own

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos review @ Bicycle Times

I'm quite confident that you can get into the right position in terms of saddle height bars etc. on both the San Marcos and the Roadeo. I'm also pretty sure that a half a pound here or there is not going to make you appreciably faster on a long solo ride. I think the tires that you use will make

[RBW] Re: FS: 110 BCD Chain Rings

Both the TA rings have been claimed. The two 48T FSA rings as a pair $60, OR all three FSA rings (2x48, 1x46) $89 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an ema

[RBW] Re: BQ and RIV bike diffs

Grant and Jan, thanks. Both of you helped me look at cycling in new ways and I'm really grateful. Keep up the good work. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from i

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 06:43 -0700, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > Some of the things that influence trail include: > > fork rake > head tube angle > tire width > rim diameter > > I suspect that the following influence the "feel" of trail: > > handlebar height > handlebar width > point-of-balance on t

[RBW] Clackamas River Ramble

The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate yesterday to get out for a nice 90 mile ramble. I've been cherishing these rides lately as things will be changing soon and I won't have the ability to get out for rides l

[RBW] Re: Bridgestone FS

$350? Seems pricey. Edwin in Nashville - saw it on craigslit, but it is too small! On Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:49:50 PM UTC-5, cwr wrote: > Not mine. > > Nashville Craigslist > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receivi

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 15:28 -0700, Evan wrote: > Thanks, everyone, for your answers regarding trail. (Pneumatic trail > vs. geometric trail? Whoa. It's even more complicated than I thought!) The end result -- intuitive handling -- is easy. The variables to get you there are subtle. It's only sim

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

Dave Moulton's blog (http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/) discusses trail toward the bottom where a link takes you to an earlier entry on trail -- and that in turn to a yet older one. I can't say if he is right, but he has certainly ridden a lot and built a lot of bikes. At any rate, an interesti

[RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

Just wundrin if you can sit almost bolt upright with them on your Riv. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegro

RE: [RBW] How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

I wouldn't say bolt upright. The Boscos are better for that, if that's your goal. From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:54 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] How upright can you g

[RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

If you go with a short stem, you can get super upright. I had the short stem/alba (actually Soma Oxford, but whatever) on my Soma bike and it was seriously upright. I went with a longer (12cm) stem on my Riv with the Oxfords and it's a totally different feel; I can angle the bars down and lean

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

Whether the parts will let you achieve this position or no, has anyone asked whether it's a good idea to do so? n Fri, 2013-05-10 at 17:46 -0700, Scot Brooks wrote: > If you go with a short stem, you can get super upright. I had the > short stem/alba (actually Soma Oxford, but whatever) on my So

[RBW] Re: Clackamas River Ramble

Seeing these pics has me thinking that your suggestion of doing our family bike tour up the Clackamas is a great idea. Gadzooks it's pretty up there. On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:11:55 PM UTC-7, Mike wrote: > > The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and > uncharacteristically magni

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

If it works...it's a good idea -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send ema

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

What a great discussion. As someone who has changed two of his four Rivendell bikes to low trail forks to try to discover what the whole trail thing was about, I can say the following in a completely subjective manner: - Had I discovered Jan's low trail randonneurs instead of Grant's versatile Riv

[RBW] Re: Bridgestone FS

I probably wouldn't pay that much, either, but that funky Japan-market rack/lights combo is hard to find on our shores. On Friday, May 10, 2013 2:26:35 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote: > $350? Seems pricey. > > Edwin in Nashville - saw it on craigslit, but it is too small! > > > On Thursday, May 9,

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 20:09 -0600, René Sterental wrote: > > - Had I discovered Jan's low trail randonneurs instead of Grant's > versatile Rivendell mid-trail bikes, I would have completely missed > the boat and would have become convinced that riding any bike > pain-free was an utopic dream (for

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

Uh oh ... here we go again. :) What isn't a "good" idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and enjoying a ride without pain. I know people with nice b

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

Who is judging? Steve just asked the question. This reaction seems a bit excessive. It's spring, fer gawd's sake, let's go and ride off our excess sensitivity. Patrick "let's all get a life" Moore who had a very nice ride on his Ram today and ***didn't even get a flat***. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote: > Uh oh ... here we go again. :) > > What isn't a "good" idea for some ... perhaps many ... maybe even the > overwhelming majority of active cyclists in this world ... may just be > the only way one single individual is capable of getting out and

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur bicycle. It takes more than just a fork. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 19:28 -0700, VeloZen wrote: > > Uh oh ... here we go again. :) > > > > What isn't a "good" idea for s

Re: [RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

Anyone just ride a bike today? I have the flu and would rather hear about fun stuff and not drivel like trail. On May 10, 2013 11:31 PM, "Alex Zeibot" wrote: > Low trail fork will not transform Rivendell into a complete randonneur > bicycle. It takes more than just a fork. > > > On Fri, May 10,

[RBW] Re: How upright can you get with Alba's/stem combo?

You can get as high as you like with them, using a Nitto quill adapter and a zero or greater degree threadless stem . http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13753&zenid=490e0d7e35095acc42d0c68d3657 If you want to

Re: [RBW] Clackamas River Ramble

Jeez Mike that looks like a great day on the bike.Glad you were able to get out.-Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Mike wrote: > The weather here in Portland has been spectacularly and uncharacteristically > magnificent for the past week. I was fortunate yesterday

[RBW] Re: Clackamas River Ramble

I'm telling you, head out that way and up to Timothy Lake, just be aware that to get to Timothy Lake you'll have to do some climbing and there's one section that's gravel. If you stay right on Hwy 224 it's beautiful with only a few rises here and there. You could head to Detroit Lake. I'm off n

Re: [RBW] Clackamas River Ramble

You Oregonians are killin'n me with your photos! I spent the '70's riding all over Oregon, your photos make me homesick, that last shot of Hood looked vaguely familiar. I do get out there occasionally to see my kids so I can get satiated temporally, the NW has always felt like home. Thanks for

Re: [RBW] Clackamas River Ramble

I know how you feel. Anytime someone post pictures of the Marin Headlands or Mt Tam I get super homesick. --mike On Friday, May 10, 2013 9:17:18 PM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote: > > You Oregonians are killin'n me with your photos! I spent the '70's riding > all over Oregon, your photos make me homesic

[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

Would like to do this but do not want to bust a gut cranking up hills..a SO24 would be fun. Finding a safe route with some climbing but not crazy would be nice. I live north of St. Helen's and my area is pretty hilly (foothills Mt. Rainier) I've ridden the Cheahalis area around the asphalt

[RBW] Re: Seattle vs Portland Country Bike Rumble - June 1st

the WillapaTrails idea looks good however On Friday, May 10, 2013 10:12:30 PM UTC-7, charlie wrote: > > Would like to do this but do not want to bust a gut cranking up > hills..a SO24 would be fun. Finding a safe route with some climbing but > not crazy would be nice. I live north of

Re: [RBW] Re: Interesting discussion: Riv bikes v. BQ bikes

On Friday, May 10, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Handlebar position has nothing to do with whether a bike has low, medium > or high trail. > I don't know if that is entirely true. Certainly, lower trail bikes favor having a load at the front to feel "normal", at least for me

[RBW] FS: 650b front wheel and tires, plus Berthoud bag with decaleur

Hi all, I bought a 650b randonneur from a very nice seller who had ridden it perhaps three times in the two years he had owned it. I ended up swapping out the front wheel for one with a dynohub, the tires for 42mm Hetres, and the rando bag for something a bit taller. As a result, those item