Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

2016-01-17 Thread Utah
Hi John, I own a Surly Cross Check and a Surly Long Haul Trucker. The LHT has a more comfortable feel. The primary differences in the bikes is that the angles on the LHT are a little more slack and the bottom bracket on the LHT is lower. I'm not sure I can quite explain it, but the slack seat

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

2016-01-17 Thread Matt B.
The slacker STA dovetails with the taller headtubes on Riv bikes, so really the typical cycling body position is preserved but kind of rotated slightly back around the BB, and you still have a totally natural position for pedaling, but with the added benefit that your neck is not kinked if you

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

2016-01-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 01/17/2016 03:32 PM, john.hawry...@verizon.net wrote: My existing frames have 73.5 and 74 degrees STA, *so I am not as far back as I would be *on a Rambler or a RBW. Deja vu all over again. The seat angle plus the seat post setback plus the amount of room you have on the seat rails *toge

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Relaxed Rear Geometry & Actual Effect

2016-01-17 Thread john . hawrylak
HiAbout 20 days ago, you replied to my question concerning relaxed STAs on Rivendells.   You said you can definitely feel the relaxed  STA.Can you described what you feel in a little more detailI'm looking at an Ocean Air Rambler 650B low trail frame/fork, and it has a 72degree STA and 72.5 HTA