Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Function determines (or ought to determine) form! Beauty in craft is > not cosmetic but comes from good (= intelligent: proper ratio of means > to ends) design, which obviously means, "design for the given > purpose." That may well be your

RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-07 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Everything makes sense, except why the horizontal drops? Bike looks really great. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:11 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Od

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-07 Thread William
The first of the ten early adopters to document riding the HS across the country should get there's for free. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-ow

RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
This is intriguing -- but see GP's comment in the most recent post: "The bike isn't a normal road or trail or touring bike. It's something else. It will DO those things, because it's a good all-around bike..." It's hard to imagine he would characterize a Scorcher single speed as a touring bike

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Smitty-A-Go-Go
"would hate to see Rivendell bicycles degenerate into mere stylistic whimsey." Don't get me wrong... I most definitely love the ride and fit of my AHH but I also love it's "stylistic whimsey". One of the things that continues to draw me toward the riv thing is their willingness to do things fo

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Peter Morgano
Takes me 5 minutes to change a tire on my saluki, don't even have to take off the cable anchor. Takes some extra forethought when you set it up the first time but think alot of the bad vibes about igh comes from unfamiliarity with how to set them up compared to the much more familiar derailuer set

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Eric Norris
Then there's the hub on my Raleigh Superbe, stamped "74" and apparently going strong almost 40 years after it was made: http://tinyurl.com/76huecq --Eric N Sent from my iPad2  On Dec 6, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > It is a common occurrence on the IGH hubs that se

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread robert zeidler
This couldn't be some sorta Electra-type bike could it? On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Jeremy Till wrote: > My own wild speculation: > > We know that this frame is made to work with the new bars coming out as > well, previously referred to as the "BU" or "Back Up Bar," which is a > vaguely cruis

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Allan in Portland
Whimsy (sheesh). With them splayed in opposite directions like that, I think he's letting you in on the joke. As for the carry strap vs. carry tube, I reckon a very non-trivial cost savings: with lugs, mitering, and brazing... Plus one for the the weight wiennies too. Regards, -Allan -- You

RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
] Re: Odd New Bike (HS) What have I gotten myself into..? RGZ On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I'm gonna say that diagatubes in the rear triangle which look like flailing > tentacles is pretty different.. > > -- > You received this message because y

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread robert zeidler
What have I gotten myself into..? RGZ On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I'm gonna say that diagatubes in the rear triangle which look like flailing > tentacles is pretty different.. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RB

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I hope there is an engineering reason for those weird mid-stay stays; would hate to see Rivendell bicycles degenerate into mere stylistic whimsey. Function determines (or ought to determine) form! Beauty in craft is not cosmetic but comes from good (= intelligent: proper ratio of means to ends) des

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-06 Thread MSmith
I think the extra, asymmetrical "chainstays" are purely aesthetic whimsy. The mixte lug for the diagatube has sockets for stays to go back to the rear dropout. In the description, Grant mentions that he wanted a diagonal tube - functional use be damned! He used the mixte lug, in lieu of the Hunqh

Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread David T.
Couldn’t it be a choice between single speed and cassette? Whatever it is, it is a great looking frame. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-

RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
But I just looked again at the left side diagatube. I think you're right. Gear range be damned... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of EricP Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:47 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subje

RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

2011-12-05 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
I'm skeptical GP would consider the gear range of an SA 3 or SA 5 trail or touring worthy, which he says this bike is. Maybe. But the gearing Riv typically recommends for touring -- say 46-36-24 and 13-32 or 13-36 on the back -- yields a range of almost 500%; the Sturmey 3 speed is only like 1