Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-18 Thread Matthew J
> I have not climbed or hiked in Scotland, but the people I talked with about the Grampians have told me it is a beautiful and difficult place. The high latitude (think northern Canada) combined with winds from Atlantic depressions makes for a difficult climate. That said, I want to get to the

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-16 Thread Robert Barr
I have not climbed or hiked in Scotland, but the people I talked with about the Grampians have told me it is a beautiful and difficult place. The high latitude (think northern Canada) combined with winds from Atlantic depressions makes for a difficult climate. That said, I want to get to the West H

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-16 Thread Robert Barr
I think you are correct about the jacket being a bargain if it keeps you warn and dry. In the mountains it is too easy to go from cold and wet to real trouble. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and national > expert

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
Is Scotland's weather so unique a combination of cold and wet that experienced climbers would not normally encounter similar conditions a myriad of other places? Is seems to me the Scots are unique in the ingenuity of their solution more than their weather. Of course I'm guilty of being a likel

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-16 Thread Deacon Patrick
Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and national experts about how to not get wet from sweat but stay dry. They all talked up their systems of choice, but none of them actually work in use. The "hypothermia" zone is especially dangerous from 25˚F - 60˚F. Add in wet at those

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-15 Thread Robert Barr
Patrick - we learn together. When you are comfortable with constant rain, back and forth, exert and sweat/rest, you are doing well. And when you can do that in the difficult temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees I think you have success. Bob On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > E

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-15 Thread Deacon Patrick
Exactly, Bob. You are clearly ahead of my slow learning curve. I wish I'd found this 15 years ago (when the Nikwax analogy first came out, though the blending with the ventile is fairly new). Paramo make a nylon version of the same concept if you prefer nylon (Hilltrek sells it, not sure if anyo

Re: [RBW] Re: Exceptional Rainwear

2013-07-15 Thread Robert Barr
In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different clothing system f