Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-10-06 Thread Dave Brandt
I keep my bikes pretty spotless and I was considering an Appaloosa when they come out. Now it helps me make my mind up to swap the parts over and donate the frame. Hopefully it is superficial but I won't trust it and if it does need repair I would need to get it repainted, making that frame rea

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-10-06 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 10/06/2015 07:38 AM, Dave Brandt wrote: I recently tore part of the weld an in the direction that would have been from putting it up into the riding position. I have used them on several bikes and I had one directly mounted to the kickstand plate on my Saga. On my last tour I noticed some

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-10-06 Thread Dave Brandt
I recently tore part of the weld an in the direction that would have been from putting it up into the riding position. I have used them on several bikes and I had one directly mounted to the kickstand plate on my Saga. On my last tour I noticed some fender rub that I have never had before. When

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-10-05 Thread Minh
Well I may have one to sell if you really want one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post t

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-10-05 Thread cyclotourist
Couldn't tell you that one! :-) On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Matthew J wrote: > That would make sense. But a fellow RBWer made hay about laughing at my No > More MUSA Pants thread claiming they will be back in stock later. > > > On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 4:08:01 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-21 Thread Alistair Spence
On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 12:29:42 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Frankly, having tried Pletscher and VO 2-leg stands, as well as the usual > Greenfeld bb stand, I've found left rear dropout stands most effective at > holding up a bike under assymetrical rear loads, even with 20 lb in

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-20 Thread Kainalu
Top plated double has caused no problems with my unstout plated Waterfordborne Sam, glad I didn't have a short bolt handy at the time I was installing it. I removed it anyways. So far I don't miss it, and having it gone has given me the idea I should seek more stumps to jump when unloaded/feath

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-20 Thread 'Tim Petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch
My Sammy has a plate bent into a shallow U which captures the head of the kickstand which prevents rotation under load. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Lungimsam wrote: > > 1. Perhaps integration is the key. > A bike that has a kickstand built into the frame in such a wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-20 Thread 'tim petersen' via RBW Owners Bunch
My story is exactly as yours except 4 years on my carelessly overloaded Sam H with the same kickstand setup.  So I'm nervous too.  Tim Petersen On Saturday, August 15, 2015 3:27 PM, Kainalu wrote: I use the top plated double legger on my Hillborne and have been carelessly overload

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread Tom Virgil
Minh, Exactly what I did on Sam and the Boulder. Gone. Not missing them. ~Tom On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 1:18:14 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote: > > Hmm I think it's time to lighten my Sam and take off the kickstand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RB

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread M D Smith
Sorry!!! "but something like an old toe clip works better than a Kickstand:" Should read "Flickstand". Stupid auto correct -Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread M D Smith
On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 1:06:02 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > > Patrick: Flickstand does 2 things: keeps the wheel from rotating or > steering (flopping). If you can get a rubber band to do both I would be > "dually" impressed... > > Bobby "maybe I don't know rubber bands" Birmingh

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread Bill Lindsay
A velcro legband also makes an excellent parking brake, wrapped tight around the brakelever An Arno Strap or Irish strap makes an excellent "Flopper Stopper" wrapped tight around the downtube and front wheel On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: > > Patrick

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Patrick: Flickstand does 2 things: keeps the wheel from rotating or steering (flopping). If you can get a rubber band to do both I would be "dually" impressed... Bobby "maybe I don't know rubber bands" Birmingham -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread Steve Palincsar
Of *Steve Palincsar *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2015 9:10 PM *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk The purpose of a kickstand plate is to support a kickstand. Evidently experience has shown them that it won't properly suppor

RE: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk The purpose of a kickstand plate is to support a kickstand. Evidently experience has shown them that it won't properly support a 2-legged kickstand. Using the built-in plate is fine -- I'm pretty sure I'm u

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-16 Thread Justin August
I've never been impressed with the stability of any chain stay/plate located kickstands, especially their tendency to have the fixing bolt loosen over time. Knowing that it could destroy a frame in some way makes me double down on this feeling. -J On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 5:03:18 PM UTC-7

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-16 Thread Lungimsam
Well if you guys would stop riding off with the two letters open for usual effect... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubs

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-16 Thread Minh
Hmm I think it's time to lighten my Sam and take off the kickstand. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegrou

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-16 Thread bertin753
Actually, I e read that the chai stay bridge doesn't have a structural function. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2015, at 1:55 PM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch > wrote: > > Here are my latest thoughts: > > We are looking at this wrong. Although damage could happen from overloading >

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
Double kicker coming off wife's Glorius in 3... 2... On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM, shawn m. wrote: > I meant to say, also, that it had never fallen over while on the kickstand. > > > On Saturday, August 15, 2015 at 8:49:35 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote: >> >> I used a Pletscher double-legger on my

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Tom Harrop
Patrick, I think you may be referring to the Ursus Jumbo. I tried it, it was OK but it kept coming loose. Anyway, I'm with you on the left rear dropout stands, as I said—I found it much better particularly when loading up a stuffed saddlesack large. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Kainalu
I use the top plated double legger on my Hillborne and have been carelessly overloading it for 3+ years. No problems ever but I should have a closer look (not having examined the chainstays since I installed the kickstand I'm a bit nervous to, I'll let you know...) -Kai -- You received this me

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Patrick Moore
Frankly, having tried Pletscher and VO 2-leg stands, as well as the usual Greenfeld bb stand, I've found left rear dropout stands most effective at holding up a bike under assymetrical rear loads, even with 20 lb in the pannier on the stand-side and none on the opposite. That said, I remember some

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
I guess we're all going to have to wait until someone from Rivendell explains the cautionary note. On 08/15/2015 12:33 AM, 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: I would think a single legger would inflict more twisting than a double legger. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 6:30:53 PM UTC-7,

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-14 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
I would think a single legger would inflict more twisting than a double legger. On Friday, August 14, 2015 at 6:30:53 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > I'll bet it has to do with twisting forces if and when the bike falls > over with a load. As Shawn said, "I sure wish they'd posted that >

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-14 Thread Steve Palincsar
I'll bet it has to do with twisting forces if and when the bike falls over with a load. As Shawn said, "I sure wish they'd posted that warning about the double-leggers not using the kickstand plate BEFORE my double-legger ruined the kickstand plate on my hunqapillar! Grr. Now, I don't have a k

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-14 Thread Patrick Moore
If a kickstand plate won't support a 2-leg kickstand, it is badly designed. I installed a VO 2-leg stand on my briefly owned Sam Hill, and saw no problem or intimation of a problem; have others used 2-legs on Sam Hills? On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > The purpose of a k

Re: [RBW] Re: Double leg Kickstands... lets talk

2015-08-14 Thread Steve Palincsar
The purpose of a kickstand plate is to support a kickstand. Evidently experience has shown them that it won't properly support a 2-legged kickstand. Using the built-in plate is fine -- I'm pretty sure I'm using a built-in plate with a 2-legged kick stand on my Kogswell P/R Porteur -- but I do