Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Jan Heine
You bring up good points. 1. Higher mass will slow you down climbing, but the question is how much. Realistically, the differences are very small. We tested a 650B randonneur bike with 42 mm tires against a titanium road bike with 25s. Both were excellent bikes, and their speed was the same. Cl

Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Lungimsam
1. What does the higher mass do in regards to climbing? Help or hinder? I wonder at what point the mass is nullified by hysteresis, s-losses, and planing, supple tires, etc.? One could do alot of mixed variables tests to see how it all shakes out. 2. Also, what about tire sidewall deformation u

Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Peter White
Ah! The larger tire has more mass, so it would spin up slower. Other than that, I'm not qualified to give an opinion. On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 4:54 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > Spin-up: > Starting from a stop and getting the bike revved-up to cruising speed > where one abandons standing on their pedals

Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Lungimsam
Spin-up: Starting from a stop and getting the bike revved-up to cruising speed where one abandons standing on their pedals and takes their seat. "Spinning-up" the tires/bike from the stop to cruising speed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owner

Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Peter White
Please define spin up? On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > What role does tire pressure and width play in difficulty/ease of tire > spin up? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this g

Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Lungimsam
What role does tire pressure and width play in difficulty/ease of tire spin up? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@

Re: [RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Peter White
I remember being told this by one of the technical people from Michelin some 35 years ago at the east coast trade show - what is now Interbike in Las Vegas. They knew back then that very high pressures gave you no advantage. So this tendency for tire manufacturers in the past 30 years to rate their

[RBW] Suspension Losses - Now Confirmed by Other Research

2016-06-14 Thread Jan Heine
In science, it's important that results are replicable - this means that anybody doing the same experiment must get the same results. I was excited to learn that recently, Joshua Poertner (formerly of Zipp, now of Silca) has replicated our results on tire pressure: Higher tire pressures don't m