[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Winds is tough. But, there are a large number of variables in that Klein vs Atlantis comparison. You could start with tire contact patch size, work through bottom bracket height and chainstay length, on up through stem length and saddle setback - all of which directly effect stability. When yo

[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread dr...@charter.net
Still figuring out how to work this board, so hope this turns out in the right spot. This kid is not an experienced cyclist. The frame is advertised as touring geometry although I need to ask him which model he bought. I agree with wider tires. I used 26" 1.5 wide when I crossed the USA pulling

[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Greg J
I don't know what model your friend got, but I see that there is a ti Vaya. Ti would not be my first choice because I too have a bias toward steel, and I have never ridden a ti bike. However, the Vaya seems to be a well-regarded and well-designed frame, and my impression of Salsa is that they

[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread ascpgh
I rode my Ram across country on a very light (credit card) trip and faced all kinds of winds including the storms prior to afternoon tornadoes in Kansas. Loaded or unloaded stability comes from the design and intended use of a bike. If one is intended for touring it will be fine unless foolishly lo

[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Hechmer
I don't disagree with the observation that frame geometry is the most important variable for a touring bike, but the frame weight choice isn't as clear cut as some suggest. Touring frames necessarily need to be stiffer than a racing or rondeneuring frame, and that added stiffness always adds w

[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-10 Thread dougP
drnat: Glad you were not injured in the "blow over". "Helmet bumping concrete" is a graphic description. I've fought bikes in cross-winds & it's not fun. At least my Atlantis allows me to wrestle it down the road in those conditions. Better get yours back on the road! The frame material and t

[RBW] Re: titanium for touring

2012-04-10 Thread William
The weight of the frame of the bicycle has almost nothing to do with whether or not a rider is going to get blown into a ditch by wind. If somebody copied the identical geometry and clearances of your Atlantis in Titanium, and you then built it up with the same components and weighed it down w