Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
Well, he discounted air drag from fatter tires; but I think I find that fatter, and taller too, tires slow me down in a strong headwind compared to 28s or 32s. And big fat 29er knobbies definitely have more wind drag in headwinds! On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 5:48 PM, John Stowe wrote: > Jan's testin

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-02 Thread John Stowe
Jan's testing method involves actually riding down a road, so air resistance should play into his results - at least at testing speeds (wind drag rises with the square of velocity) - which is another reason to trust his results more than those from a smooth, stationary roller. -- You received

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:32 AM, panog wrote: > Actually 3 questions, if we add the "where to stop adding more suppleness > to an already supple tire?". > True. > > [...] To me and my cycling exposure, the need for the extralight casings > is just noise; I do use open tubular type clinchers wi

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-02 Thread panog
Actually 3 questions, if we add the "where to stop adding more suppleness to an already supple tire?". I absolutely agree with your statement regarding the esoteric nature of the perceived handling differences between wheel sizes simply due to the fact that the absolute judge of what feels best

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-02 Thread Patrick Moore
Yes, the benefit of casing suppleness is principally lower rolling resistance, though I find that more supple tires are also more comfortable at a given tire pressure (and, OTOH, that they often require a higher pressure to avoid sidewall flop than do tires with stiffer sidewalls). We've got 2 que

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread ted
And how much he or she cares about that difference -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread panog
The principal benefit of the greater suppleness is reduced rolling resistance, reduced hysteric losses and thus greater speed for the same watt input. The real question though is at which point we have diminishing returns. I dont think that this is a one-answer-fits-all as I believe its greatly

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Yeah, but his tests were to my judgment not conclusive. How do you "prove" that this handling is better than that? And for whom? Once again, my own experience, which is extensive, if not as extensive as Jan's, contradicts this opinion. The principal benefits of the extralights is not weight, or pr

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Chris Birkenmaier
I have several compass tires on various bikes. All standard casing. Very pleased and frankly spoiled by them. Love supple tires! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails fro

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread panog
Yes he did and he included a series of his tests in BQ to back up the claim. I dont think JH is alone on the assessment of the 32s being optimum size for 700c wheels. Another who comes to mind is Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle. I am of the understanding that sizes beyond that are focused more in

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Jon BALER
I was just looking for a similar tire for my wife's bike. The compass tires were all sold out, and I thought she might not appreciate tan sidewalls. So I went with Schwalbe Kojack, 700x35, folding tires, which weigh a respectable 330 grams On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 10:47:40 AM UTC-4, Geir Be

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Ian Strader
I ride Rat Trap Pass 2.3" tires on my mtb commuter. In addition to greatly reducing vibration/shocks, the lower pressures enabled by such large volume greatly reduces the likelihood of flatting. I regularly roll over broken glass on my RTP's that would have pierced the 28mm Marathon Supremes on

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Geir Bentzen
Hi, I use the extra light 38 mm on my Hunqapillar. I could use the 42 mm, but they came on sale after I bought the ones I have. Which means I have used them for about 10 months now and had no flats at all. I weigh above 110 kilos or 245 pounds and I ride on both gravel roads and asphalt. I have

Re: [RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Patrick Moore
Jan theorizes that there is an optimum diameter -- and absolute number -- for optimum handing, and that this correlates more or less to 622 X 32, 584 X 40 or 42, and 559 X 50. I don't buy it, since the best handling bikes (thanks again, Grant!) I've ridden were designed for 559 wheels with tires r

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-05-01 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
I remember Jan saying something about 32s being the optimal size for 700c on pavement. I can fit true 38s under my fenders, but perhaps that would be better suited to dirt or gravel. Or has the thinking moved on since then? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google G

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-04-30 Thread panog
I use the standard casing Bon Jon 35's on my Riv commuter. Haven't seen the need for the extralights, particularly while commuting. Another good choice is the Soma Supple Vitesse at 33 or 38 mm (Panaracer made clincher tire with tubular sidewalls, also offered in standard and extralight casings)

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-04-30 Thread Surlyprof
I ride Barlow Pass ELs under fenders without a hitch. I haven't flatted yet but I also didn't use that wheelset for my commute. Commuting (also less than desirable roads) I used 40mm Mondials under fenders also with no clearance problems. I REALLY like the Compass Barlow Pass tires. I was i

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-04-30 Thread Johnny Alien
I agree. Having used both I have found that the riding difference is very small between the two so I have zero problem saving some money and getting the standard casing. I have a set of light casings on my Roadeo. Unless someone is really concerned about weight I would actually suggest saving

[RBW] Re: Which Compass tires for a Sam Hillborne riden on pavement

2017-04-30 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv
For reference, I have 35 mm Hypers on there now. I use 32 or 35 Supremes under fenders in the winter. On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 9:05:00 PM UTC+3, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote: > > I'm thinking about making the move to Compass tires on my commuter Sam. > Which ones would you all recommend for an urban