[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread Angus
In regards to the bolt loosening as the crank settles in... During a MTB ride someone noticed that a friends crank bolt was missing (gone, disappeared, it's outa here!). The crank seemed tight so he decided to keep riding. He finished the 90 min MTB ride with no problem and installed a new bolt

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread Angus
Best of luck with the crank Eric! I've had a crank come loose far from home and didn't have the 8mm wrench to tighten it. I thought I had "damaged" the taper. After cleaning up, greasing, and torquing (properly this time) it has worked fine ever since. Now I make sure I have a tool to fit the c

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread Jeremy Till
Reading this short piece by Jobst Brandt (courtesy of Sheldon, RIP) was very important in my education regarding square taper cranks, it's worth a look: http://sheldonbrown.com/brandt/installing-cranks.html Basically: 1. When installing or re-installing cranks, they should be tightened to adequat

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread EricP
Reinstalled the Sugino this morning. Wiped all the grease off the spindle and off the crankarms. Torqued down to recommended. Then went riding. Including some hills that were grunt up quality. Stopped three times in 30 miles to check the tightness. Including a stop at Hiawatha Cyclery and borr

Re: [RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Chuck is right; the pressure on the grease is great enough to negate the difference between "enough" and "too much'. I torque mine to (forget what; have it marked on my torque wrench) and then ride forever after with no problem, never bothering to retorque. I think it is the initial torque that, i

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread Chuck
Although a thin coat is probably best, it would be hard to damage a crank by applying too much grease. The excess would just be forced out when you applied the proper torque. You can damage them by riding when they are loose - as others have said, I re-torque after the first few rides... If you f

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-24 Thread EricP
>From what appears to be two distorted corners on the left crank arm. The arm, without tightening down, seems to sit on the spindle "funny". Not like the right arm does. However, it could be I had over-greased everything. But that would not explain why the crank worked fine for a couple of hundr

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-23 Thread Angus
Eric, Why are the cranks "beyond repair"? Angus On Jul 23, 7:41 pm, EricP wrote: > Well, it may have been too much grease on the spindle.  Quite a bit > when I cleaned it off.  Things were fine for a month or so.  Then the > looseness became apparent. > > Frustrating as two cranksets are now be

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-23 Thread EricP
Well, it may have been too much grease on the spindle. Quite a bit when I cleaned it off. Things were fine for a month or so. Then the looseness became apparent. Frustrating as two cranksets are now beyond repair. Couldn't even make a single work, as one was 170, the other 175. Sigh. At leas

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-23 Thread RoadieRyan
Had a similar issue recently with my XD 600, I had used too much grease on the spindle in order to eliminate a squeak issue,. turns out it was the bb instead, and had a couple instances of the left (non drive) crank coming loose. After wiping down the spindle and cranking down on the crank arm bol

Re: [RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Ginz wrote: > I go to 28 or 29ft lbs with Sugino cranks and the thinniest posible > film of grease.  Never a problem. > The specs for the sugino cranks on riv's website from: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sugino-xd2/12-190 is: 320-390 inch pounds which w

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-23 Thread Ginz
I go to 28 or 29ft lbs with Sugino cranks and the thinniest posible film of grease. Never a problem. On Jul 23, 6:38 am, Angus wrote: > Eric, > > I have had a couple of crank arms looses...it has always been my > fault. > > When I torque the crank-arm bolts I have not had one come loose.  I > to

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-23 Thread Angus
Eric, I have had a couple of crank arms looses...it has always been my fault. When I torque the crank-arm bolts I have not had one come loose. I torque to 25-28 ft-lbs although the recommended value varies from crank to crank and non-square drive cranks (which I don't own) are probably different

[RBW] Re: The (Hill)borne Identity

2010-07-22 Thread Michael_S
I have found for me that it takes about 10+ rides of check and tighten after every ride before it's set and won't tighten any further. After that it seems to stay that way forever. ~Mike~ On Jul 22, 7:51 pm, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, EricP wrote: > > Dunno, maybe my S