[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-18 Thread avillage
Wow...I can just feel the endo. Ouch, oh... I've ridden Mavic Reflex and Open Pros for years before going with a Riv and Rich built wheels. Despite the annoying "tic" sound that can occur at times due to the joining piece at the seam, the wheels performed flawlessly. Alloy all the way. I didn't

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-17 Thread Chicken Sandwich
There are other carbon-fiber spoked wheels out there that have been performing well for years. This particular Mavic rim is just a bad design and prone to failures. But then again, so are the Ksyriums for that matter, which are metal rims with metal spokes. I've seen enough of them taco'ed to st

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-17 Thread RonLau
+1 Rich build all the wheels my wife and I use. If you want the spend the money and light enough, he can build you something as light as most "light" wheels out there but with 32 spokes. On Jun 16, 8:22 pm, Will wrote: > Hi. After reading the following VeloNews article, I suddenly feel > thank

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-17 Thread Angus
One way of looking at this: regardless of the fault (frame, tire, wheel, rider) the severity of the failure (almost guaranteed crash) will keep me well clear of carbon spokes. I've got nothing against Mavic, I have their aluminum rims on three of my Rivendells. Angus On Jun 17, 1:47 am, Big Pa

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-16 Thread Big Paulie
To be clear, I wasn't advocating Mavic's postion, but felt that their response should be noted. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-16 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Big Paulie wrote: > > http://velonews.com/article/93240/mavic-responds-to-wheel-collapse- > article > > This is the wheel manufacturer's response... worth reading. Maybe > carbon spokes weren't to blame...but a carbon frame was. Even were that the case- and I doub

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-16 Thread David Faller
Although nothing conclusive has been determined regarding the actual cause of this structural failure (spokes vs. rim vs. tire vs. frame material), when I get a flat tire on my metal wheels, they don't blow apart like a Christmas cracker. The culprit here, fundamentally, is carbon and using it

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-16 Thread Bill M.
I don't know about the frame being at fault. I can almost see a flat tire rolling off of the rim, being trapped between the rim and the fork (causing the marks shown inside the fork in the original article), and locking the wheel up. That could cause a fall, and could explain the sheared off val

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-16 Thread Big Paulie
http://velonews.com/article/93240/mavic-responds-to-wheel-collapse-article This is the wheel manufacturer's response... worth reading. Maybe carbon spokes weren't to blame...but a carbon frame was. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are sub

[RBW] Re: Thank goodness for steel spokes and Rich Lesnik

2009-06-16 Thread relistan
Carbon spokes... what a terrible idea. Sorry, but no weight savings is worth the risk, not at any level of riding, IMHO. Karl On Jun 16, 8:22 pm, Will wrote: > Hi. After reading the following VeloNews article, I suddenly feel > thankful for Grant/RBW’s wheel-building philosophies and my Rich >