Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-10 Thread Bruce Herbitter
Have you tried a click-stand? Cool little device. On Wednesday, April 9, 2014, Kelly wrote: > > > > Did I mention I don't get many miles out of kickstands.. they get loosey > goosey and bend and then useless... and I despise the two legged stands as > I break them and they fall over more on me t

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-09 Thread Jim Bronson
A decade ago you were almost 30 years older? How does that work? Does Rivendell now sell the Fountain of Youth? On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:44 PM, George Schick wrote: > Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with > "...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-09 Thread Chris Chen
I find that the load and torque vector on a single legged kickstand causes the bolt to come loose over time, whereas the bolt has never come loose on my double legger. YMMV I guess On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Kelly wrote: > My 68cm RAM is my go fast bike. I'm 235 and usually in the 225 we

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2014-04-09 Thread Kelly
My 68cm RAM is my go fast bike. I'm 235 and usually in the 225 weight class. The bike comes in at about 25lbs with everything on it, and feel great to me. May not be for everyone but it feel quick and nimble and actually rides very well.I am in the wonderful position of being a perfec

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2014-04-09 Thread Joe Bernard
What you're remembering as "sport-touring" were pretty spindly race-type bikes in comparison to the stouter Rom/Ram/AHH "all day" bicycles that Rivendell focuses on. And they had the consequent skinny tires which Riv eschews, too. Those 80's/90's bikes have their place and can be great fun to r

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2014-04-08 Thread bo richardson
tires are gone On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:05:26 PM UTC-7, bo richardson wrote: > > i have some 32 grand bois cypres > i think > i love them but there is too much glass on my circuit > i am pulling them off tomorrow and would > sell both for fifty plus shipping > call it sixty even > almost new

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-08 Thread Peter Morgano
For what it's worth I went through 4 different Rivendell frames before I found one I loved. But me and the Bombadil are a happy pair now. On Apr 8, 2014 10:05 PM, "bo richardson" wrote: > i have some 32 grand bois cypres > i think > i love them but there is too much glass on my circuit > i am pul

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2014-04-08 Thread bo richardson
i have some 32 grand bois cypres i think i love them but there is too much glass on my circuit i am pulling them off tomorrow and would sell both for fifty plus shipping call it sixty even almost new although the front hs had glass pulled out of it bo richardson 360 676 4838 i love my rambouillet

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2014-04-08 Thread Deacon Patrick
Och, Jeff! Figuring out a bike is a very personal journey comprised of lots of wee journeys (rides), with input from others, but ultimately it's you and the bike. I took a year to get to know my Hunqapillar and learning how to ride a mammoth, refining things along the way. In my case, my second

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2014-04-08 Thread Jeff Ong
For what it's worth, I (the original poster) am around 6' tall, 230 lbs., pretty beefy and broad (big shoulders, etc.). I would characterize myself as a masher, I guess, since I cut my teeth on mountain biking and never really developed a glassy-smooth pedal stroke. I guess I was just really s

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2014-04-08 Thread Jeff Ong
True, but even if I swap out for a different frameset (Mercian Audax?), the tires will be put to good use. I'll give it a shot. On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:48:33 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: > > Sounds like you know what you like and the Ram is not it. I would sell it. > There may be no myste

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-08 Thread Joe Bernard
The "no warranty warranty" :) On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:40:04 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: > > I believe you can put drop bars on any Rivendell without voiding the > warranty. > On Apr 7, 2014 9:10 PM, "George Schick" > > wrote: > >> Just now checking back to the blog. Looks like Patrick (Moore)

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Peter Morgano
I believe you can put drop bars on any Rivendell without voiding the warranty. On Apr 7, 2014 9:10 PM, "George Schick" wrote: > Just now checking back to the blog. Looks like Patrick (Moore) pretty > much said everything that I would've said. My difficulty with the > Grant/Riv/fit philosophy is

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread George Schick
Just now checking back to the blog. Looks like Patrick (Moore) pretty much said everything that I would've said. My difficulty with the Grant/Riv/fit philosophy is that it seems to have steered people into the largest possible frame sizes - if 54cm looks OK then you should really probably be

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
Forgot to mention the customs. No, we didn't. I simply sent him a photo of me on a bike whose fit I liked, and then discussed general fit and handling qualities. We ended up in all 3 cases with 8 cm extensions (and 56.5 or 57 tts with 73* seat tubes). (Note: the 1994/5 required a custom stem (it wa

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
It's not a matter of fitting systems, scientific or otherwise, but of weight distribution, handling, and overall feel and comfort. To take the Sam Hill as the example, my choices were limited to using a stem long enough to keep the weight distribution and handling and feel normal, or to use such a

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Deacon Patrick
Which, for a simple system that seems to be a lot more accurate than the fancy "scientific" fitting schema out there, seems pretty impressive to me. Have you had this conversation with Grant when working on your customs? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:11:58 PM UTC-6, Patrick M

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
OK, that is true, but as you say within limits. I run 8 cm stems on the 56 1/2 cm tt'd Rivs (I forgot the Ram: it has a 57 cm tt, and I use a 9, but the 42 cm Noodles sweep back a cm or 2). When you start needing 6 cm stems, something is less than ideal. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Deacon Pat

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Deacon Patrick
Sure it can, within the limits of stem length options. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:06:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want > your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at o

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:44 PM, George Schick wrote: > [...] > 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on > their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and > weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different > frame size

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Deacon Patrick
George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread George Schick
Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with "...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person…" And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Eric Norris
Patrick: I warned you about leaving your garage door open. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 7, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > To clarify: this Motobecane (Eric stole it from me) felt fast and lively. My

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
To clarify: this Motobecane (Eric stole it from me) felt fast and lively. My point is that it didn't feel any faster and livelier than other bikes that had oversized and (since they are Rivs) doubtless sturdier tubing. Hell, the Herse I mentioned felt at least as fast with the same IRC Tandem (30 m

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Eric Norris
My '73 Motobecane Grand Record (which is, come to think of it, eerily similar to the one Patrick used to own) feels plenty fast and lively to me. Switching from Paselas (700x25) to the new Compass Stampede Pass tires (700x32) made a big difference--much more comfortable and responsive-feeling.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread Patrick Moore
George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or pe

[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum

2014-04-07 Thread George Schick
I've been reading through the threads on this post since it was started last Friday and finally decided that I'd better get out my '04 Ram to see if maybe I've been missing something. I haven't been on it all Winter so I figured it would be like a "new" test. So I rode it today and for the lif

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2014-04-07 Thread allenmichael
I have the grand bois cyprès 32 on my 58 orange Rambouillet. I've done a couple of 200k rides, a few shorter weekend rides, and commuted for a few months. So far, no flats. I like the ride a lot. So far, my favorite bike I've ever owned, but I'm not a performance cyclist. Michael Allen On Frid

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2014-04-06 Thread Jeff Ong
OK, you guys talked me into trying a different set of tires before I boot this frameset to the curb. I did tour on the Paselas (on an old Trek 520) and found them both amazingly flat-resistant and super boring to ride, so I'm willing to buy that they could be making the Ram handle like a Trek N

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2014-04-06 Thread Brian Campbell
Sounds like you know what you like and the Ram is not it. I would sell it. There may be no mystery to solve. Not every bike is for every person. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop rec

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2014-04-06 Thread RJM
Comparing the Grand Bois Stampede Pass to the Pasela TG tire is not night and day, but almost. The Stampede Pass just rolls better, easier, and more comfortablethe bike is sprightly-er now. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:30:36 PM UTC-5, oldmangabe wrote: > > As an aside to this discussion,

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2014-04-05 Thread oldmangabe
As an aside to this discussion, I personally don't see why people are dogging on the Pasela TG tires. I've ridden a heap of different tires over a heap of miles myself (ranging the whole spectrum), and have found the TG's to be much better than most. I know that everyone's expreiences are more

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2014-04-05 Thread Kieran J
I'll echo what Andy has said, in that I keep a minimal stable and also that I find my Ram works for me. Mine is a 66cm, so perhaps a different frame flex feel factor than the same bike might have in the smaller sizes. It's possible the Ram's OS tubing is more compliant in the taller versions (n

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2014-04-05 Thread ascpgh
I've had my orange Rambouillet since the evening before riding across the country from Yorktown. My '92 RB-1 got twitchy after four hours and I got tight, achy shoulders from riding it that long despite bar and stem experiments. Funding the Rambouillet was its highest and best use. The Ram was

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2014-04-05 Thread Mike Schiller
I had a Ram for a few years. I was riding an early Sam with canti's and on my first ride on the new to me Ram I thought that this rides so much better than the Sam. I thought the Sam was too stiff for unloaded rides but the Ram felt just right. I was on a 58cm frame as well. Not sure how much

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2014-04-05 Thread bo richardson
the tires wouldnt stay on the rim when i was pumping them up with a hand pump fortunately i was walking distance from fairhaven cycles one of the techs couldnt get the tire pumped up with the compresser, but the better tech could jan has a tip sheet for how to get this to work it should be in my

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2014-04-05 Thread RJM
I don't have any experience with a Ram except my Roadeo is the same orange color so I can't help you with the steering issue or wallowing through turns. If I may suggest though, I would try some good tires on it before you give it up for good. I really do feel really good fast feeling tires mak

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2014-04-04 Thread Eric
Jeff, I'm totally with you! I've had two Rambos and I felt the same way. They were both sold and I don't miss them. Don't get me wrong, beautiful bikes but they weren't for me. Right now I'm actually falling out of love with another Rivendell I own. TOTALLY beautiful but it's not the best rid

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2014-04-04 Thread Joe Bernard
I suspect your Ram looks and feels like a "road bike" to you, so your brain expects it to react like a titanium Merlin or small-tubed '84 Nobillette. Which doesn't provide a solution, but might answer the problem.. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong w

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2014-04-04 Thread Deacon Patrick
In the vein of "I have a hammer so everything's a nail" I am in the process of shifting cockpit arrangement, having already shifted tires, to match the riding I do (gravel grind and single track). Rivendells are so flexible in how you can set them up and the same frame really does ride very dif

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2014-04-04 Thread IanA
My commuter is set up similarly to your Bizango. It's an old Rocky Mountain, has 26" wheels and drop bars. I also have a LongLow which is a similar bike to the Rambouillet. The Rocky is quick handling, incredibly stable at any speed, has a high BB and can be pedaled through just about any tu

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2014-04-04 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
That's an interesting impression of the Rambouillet. Not one I've heard before, but certainly open it. I guess the quick answer is "Yeah. Sure. Of course it's possible you and a 2001 Rivendell Rambouillet aren't cut out for one another." But, it's an interesting situation, to be sure. Yo