[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-06 Thread LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
Hi Patrick, I could never tell what which was worse: going down College Street in Burlington on a fixed gear in the snow & ice or going back up it! Enjoy! Chondromalacia is a specific pathology in which the articular surface of the knee cap softens. This problem typically responds well to activit

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-06 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jan 6, 8:57 am, "LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com" wrote: > I'd bet the seated > high torque pedaling is revealing a weakness/dysfunction elsewhere in > the kinetic chain--weakness or excessive tightness (or a combination > of the two) at the hips for instance--which yields poor biomechanics > at the k

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-06 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Excellent, Lyle -- you are confirming all my prejudices. The twinges are dull and don't start until the next day. Patrick "Mash 'em!" Moore On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:57 AM, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com < lylebog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > If the "twinging" in the knees is not sharp pain (d

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-06 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:28 PM, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote: I also have a bias against changing more than one variable at a time since doing so may make unclear what the most effective strategy is… What he said.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-06 Thread LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
Hi Patrick, If the "twinging" in the knees is not sharp pain (dull pain, aching is okay) then I would consider it not great for your knees. However, that is not from seated high torque pedaling per se. I'd bet the seated high torque pedaling is revealing a weakness/dysfunction elsewhere in the kin

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:13 PM, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com < lylebog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All! > > Regarding [the] understanding that the effect of heavy resistance creating excessive contact pressure between the articular surfaces of the knee cap and the trochlear groove in which the knee cap g

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
ooops! "... femoral antervsion,..." that's femoral anteversion :) On Jan 5, 8:28 pm, "LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com" wrote: > David, > > You've certainly got a number of variables at work here… do you have > pain in both knees? The scoliosis will likely affect the orientation > of your pelvis in the sa

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
David, You've certainly got a number of variables at work here… do you have pain in both knees? The scoliosis will likely affect the orientation of your pelvis in the saddle, specifically I'd anticipate that your pelvis would be somewhat rotated so the left hip/leg will be forward of the right. Th

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread cyclotourist
Cool, thanks for the info, Lyle. Xrays show I'm knock-kneed a bit. Also have scoliosis curve which tilts my left shoulder down toward my left hip a bit. Dr. suggested moving my heel in a bit and saddle down a bit, does that sound like valid advice Others have suggested widening the crank Q

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jan 5, 2010, at 4:07 PM, Patrick in VT wrote: On Jan 5, 2:47 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: I should have been more clear about what I meant by "stair stepping:" I have in >mind those machines that people use in gyms i don't think this is a comparable exercise. a normal step, even on one of

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
Hi All!   I’m joining this one late, again… and once again, this will likely be lengthy…   IT Band trouble is rarely a primary cause of knee pain, or an independently occurring malady. Unfortunately, there are no very good studies of IT band syndrome. For instance, some researchers have found that

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jan 5, 2:47 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Thanks, Patrick; I do appreciate your reply. well, I hope some one can give you a more definitive answer. and i certainly don't want to be discouraging - I also ride fixed gear, and often push a bigger gear than I probably should. but knees ain't as eas

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks, Patrick; I do appreciate your reply. I should have been more clear about what I meant by "stair stepping:" I have in mind those machines that people use in gyms, and the real thrust of my question was that, although sitting and shoving a pedal over in too high a gear is by all accounts, and

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-05 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jan 4, 9:50 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I meant this: is standing on steep climbs, or, IOW, standing and doing low > cadence, high torque pedalling, bad for you knees? Is it any different from > stair stepping? I don't see how stair stepping is comparable unless you're taking a few steps at a t

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Patrick in VT wrote: > On Jan 4, 12:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as > > opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse > for > > your knees than a stair stepper? > > "an

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread Andy.M
> I have a foam roller and have used it a time or two on my IT band. > It's excruciating painful, which wouldn't bother me so much if I knew > how it was supposed to be beneficial. Anne, The idea behind the foam roller is that it "irons out" the muscle. Its supposed to help break up the scar tis

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jan 4, 12:39 pm, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > And here's the question: does anyone have any medical information, as > opposed to speculation, about standing and pedalling? Is this any worse for > your knees than a stair stepper? "any worse than," is a relative term, Patrick. Your riding style, whet

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread Patrick in VT
On Jan 4, 1:48 pm, Anne Paulson wrote: > I have a foam roller and have used it a time or two on my IT band. > It's excruciating painful, which wouldn't bother me so much if I knew > how it was supposed to be beneficial. In theory, the foam roller may help to lengthen/stretch out the IT band and

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread cyclotourist
Patrick, thanks for the advice on the ice. That was recommended by the Dr., but I kind of disregarded it... will start that! On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Patrick in VT wrote: > cyclotourist wrote: > > David - If you're experiencing flare-ups at a certain mileage > threshold, it's possible

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread Patrick in VT
cyclotourist wrote: David - If you're experiencing flare-ups at a certain mileage threshold, it's possible that your IT band hasn't completely calmed down from last time you tweaked it. Even if you're not experiencing pain, the tendon could still be inflammed. Consider a daily icing regimen alon

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread cyclotourist
I think Adam A. is showing what you do on the downhills... (guy in front/left): http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4243451052/ On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:20 AM, james black wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:08, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > >> On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE w

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread james black
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:08, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: >> > Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple >> > gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly >> > better than slogging angrily on the flats

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:08 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Steve Palincsar > wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use > multiple > > gears and,

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple > > gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly > > better than slogging angrily on the fla

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 10:43 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple > gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly > better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and > despairingly downhill. Those, I take

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Two more essential comments: one, no I don't want to use multiple gears and, two, I **love** fixed gear climbing, really! Certainly better than slogging angrily on the flats or spinning vainly and despairingly downhill. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Related, perhaps, kn

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I ought to add: 170 mm cranks, about the conventional choice for my leg length. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > Related, perhaps, knees-and-cycling question. In the last year or so my > riding area has changed and I spend more time on shorter, steeper hills > instead of l

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Related, perhaps, knees-and-cycling question. In the last year or so my riding area has changed and I spend more time on shorter, steeper hills instead of long, gradual climbs. Since I ride fixed gears, this means I have been learning and adapting physiologically and mentally to standing for longis

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-03 Thread cyclotourist
One thing I don't do/ever really do is run, so luckily my knees aren't too beat up. The flip side is I don't get the bone-building benefits of running, so I probably have brittle & frail bird-like bones. My Doc said cortisone would be a temp fix. There are cortisone patches that you can use also

Re: [RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-03 Thread tarik saleh
David, please report back! My recent knee glitch culminated in me going to the doctor finally after years of little troubles. What I assumed was 4 years of ignorance of a tear/lack of cartilidge/and or arthritis in my knee due to lots and lots and lots of running when I was younger turned out to m

[RBW] Re: Now: IT Band Was: Goals for 2010

2010-01-03 Thread cyclotourist
These are the resources that have been mentioned off list. I thought I would publicly catalog them in one place in case someone else is having similar problems (and was too shy to speak up!) or has other suggestions. THANKS! Local chiropractor/bike fit: http://www.bodyfix.net/ Orthotics: http: