[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The bike, or what is left of it, is a 2008 (I think it's an '08) Redline Monocog 29er, the cheap tigg'd chromo very compact 29er mtb frame that, built up OEM, rolls out the door for a list of $500 plus tax. I've considerably upgraded mine, but the frame, despite it's girder-like stiffness and massi

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread JoelMatthews
Do you have the BAs on a road bike frame or a mountain bike frame? I could probably do alright on a 29er, as MTB geometry puts the rider somewhat lower in any event. When I first put the BAs on the road frame, I tried lowering the seat. On my first ride it occurred to me the higher tires do not

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I'm a startling 5'10 in bare feet on a level, hard surface. I've not ridden 584, and my comments about it were largely facetious. I went from 60 mm Big Apples in the 559 size (26 3/4 inches diam) to ditto on 722s (29 1/4") and the float over sand, the cush over, say, washboard, and the traction w

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread JoelMatthews
> Only half my tongue is in my cheek. (The other half is in my pocket.) > I really love my Monocog 29er set up as a on/off road allrounder with > said BAs and Snowcats, drops, fenders, and a modest 63" gear. Not > Rivendellian, but unfortunately the only Riv that comes close, the > Bomdadil, only

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread palincss
Quoting JimD : > Steve, > What fenders are those on your Saluki with the Hetres? > thanks, > JimD 58mm Honjo fluted. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this grou

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread Angus
George, Jan Heine and Jim Edgar make some very good points. I spent five years doing cyclocross (on a Rivendell) and riding narrow tires on loose surfaces took practice. Lots of feeling the bike sliding around under you. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/1992613270/ I think it's 90+%

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread Bruce
Great looking bike, Steve On Jun 29, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:14 -0700, Bruce wrote: >> And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso >> tires in > > > Like mine, with Hetres: > http://www.flick

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On 6/30/09, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > On 6/29/09, GeorgeS wrote: >> >> Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not >> exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest >> special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the "country" >> variety? I mean I fe

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-30 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On 6/29/09, GeorgeS wrote: > > Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not > exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest > special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the "country" > variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread James Warren
> >> >> Is the loss of either or both of these things what you are objecting >> to? >> >> Because it looks to me that if your frame size is from 47 to 58, the >> AHH offered is identical to what used to be the sidepull Saluki, and >> that bike is very similar to the Bleriot (excluding sizes 59 a

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread JimD
Steve, What fenders are those on your Saluki with the Hetres? thanks, JimD On Jun 29, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:14 -0700, Bruce wrote: >> And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso >> tires in > > > Like mine, with Hetres: > http

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 19:23 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > Steve, > I don't understand. My understanding is that the Saluki functionally > still exists in that the AHH in sizes 58 and below is just a Saluki by > a new name. The Hilsen is a 700C bike except in small sizes, where it is 650B. In

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread James Warren
Steve, I don't understand. My understanding is that the Saluki functionally still exists in that the AHH in sizes 58 and below is just a Saluki by a new name. The only thing I see not being made now that was made before are the following two things: 1) Sidepull Salukis (whether they are call

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread BPustow
In a message dated 6/29/2009 7:27:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, palin...@his.com writes: Beyond that, obviously you need a new 650B bike That's obvious. Definitely a new bike! Whichever one you decide on, don't make the mistake of telling your wife that this new expensive bike will s

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 17:14 -0700, Bruce wrote: > And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso > tires in Like mine, with Hetres: http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this me

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Bruce
And Salukis come in canti version which lets you put really fatso tires in From: Steve Palincsar Or, pity they're not made any more, to stay in the Riv family look for either a Bleriot or a Saluki. And no I do NOT mean a Hilsen, because they take the wrong si

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 16:00 -0700, GeorgeS wrote: > Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not > exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest > special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the "country" > variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread GeorgeS
Well. The consensus seems to be that it's my fault. This is not exactly what I was looking for. Doesn't anyone want to suggest special gravel wheels or, even better, a new frame of the "country" variety? I mean I fell twice. Should be some equipment here that I could explain to my wife is cri

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread CycloFiend
on 6/29/09 2:56 AM, GeorgeS at chobur...@gmail.com wrote: > > Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the > response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's > w/o TG. > Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same > situat

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Jan Heine
Gravel is fun because you can improve your skills without risking a crash. On pavement, you only know you've gone too fast in a corner when you crash. You don't want to do that, so you stay well below the limit. On gravel, you can successively go faster, brake later, etc. If you go just a touch t

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Tim McNamara
On Jun 29, 2009, at 4:56 AM, GeorgeS wrote: > > Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the > response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's > w/o TG. > Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same > situation - fast des

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread palincss
Quoting Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery : > > You have the wrong tires. > > The protocol is to vociferously denounce those tires in every > discussion of any relevance to bicycling, especially on the internet. > Then try a series of progressively more expensive tires until you have > honed your grav

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
You have the wrong tires. The protocol is to vociferously denounce those tires in every discussion of any relevance to bicycling, especially on the internet. Then try a series of progressively more expensive tires until you have honed your gravel-riding skill to the point where you no longer cras

[RBW] Re: More Problems with Gravel

2009-06-29 Thread palincss
Quoting GeorgeS : > > Last week I posted a question about tires for gravel. Thanks for the > response. I've gone with the consensus and ordered a pair of Pasela's > w/o TG. > Since then, I've had two kind of scary falls, both in exactly the same > situation - fast descent on dirt/gravel road wi