Ok maybe I'm thinking that Starck worked at match before building Rivs.
Beats me, there's a Joe Starck interview in a Reader that would explain
stuff.
On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:32:09 PM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
> Match was definitely after Joe Starck, my recollection is they were
>
Match was definitely after Joe Starck, my recollection is they were brought
online primarily because Joe could not keep up. While I was waiting for my
bike, so around ‘99, the match announcement was made. I think match was
making the relatively stock ones and Joe was making the more custom ones.
Mi
Very strange. My memory is match was first - I think Starck was there at
some point? - then he built on his own and for a while it was split between
Starck and Curt Goodrich, then it was just Curt.
Also this and that and the other thing happened, but I won't go over those
old memories 😬
On We
That’s strange. I received my All Rounder in June 2001 and it was a Starck build. He built it with 130 spacing in the rear rather than the 135 I specified so I had to take it back to him to fix it. He was local here and worked in the same building as Joe Bell. I still think about Joe Bell’s shop wi
Great first-hand info, John. I'd love to see a photo of your bike. From
replies in this thread, and the timing they relay, I'm kind of starting to
wonder if I don't have the last Joe Starck AR frame. I missed the drama at
the time but hope he's doing well.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 10:
I ordered my AR in 1998 and got it in 1999. Between ordering it and
receiving it the maker changed from Joe Stark to Match. GP wrote me a
letter asking if it was okay to change. I wanted to stay with Joe but
since it wasn’t possible I accepted Match.
Mine is a 59 with 26 inch wheels but I th
Bruce Gordon's mid-fork mounts are intended for Bruce's lowrider front
rack, and for nothing else >:-P
I built up my late lamented Raleigh International with BG front+rear racks,
and had long intended to have contact points brazed on for them, along with
pivot posts for centerpulls. I even soun
I wouldn't put too much stock in the date on the fork; the lugs, "speared"
Rivendell decal and horizontal dropouts point to that frame being a
pre-2000s All Rounder or possibly a Mountain..it's gorgeous! Clearances had
widened by the time of your Atlantis.
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:33:14
Pretty bike, interesting that the Super Yummys are snug, I have them on my 2004 Atlantis and they fit great. For whatever reason I assumed the AR would be more roomy. On Mar 26, 2023, at 18:46, vernon brooks wrote:I have been working on building up a recently purchased what I believe to be AR fra
As others have mentioned, talking about the All Rounder starts with the
XO-n bikes from Bridgestone. Grant's daily commute between Walnut Creek and
Bridgestone was a mix of paved and unpaved roads and trails over some
pretty large hills. I would make a strong argument that the XO-n bikes
were
Sean, I'm biased because I had an XO and was happy with its versatility and
ability to run tires up to 1.9" but the real test came when I agreed to
join a group of three others to ride the TransAm in credit card mode in the
summer of 2002. What you interpret the AR to be depends a lot on what yo
Classic! Do post when you're done. I'd love to see pictures of your X0-1
too, if you care to share
Coleman Green? My 1997 A/R - waterford-built was painted Sherwood Green
before Grant started using custom builders...but craftsmanship is
definitely a few rungs above its X0-1 predecessor and the
Another plus, in 2023, is that most folks looking at pics of that bike
probably assume those are 29er or 27.5 wheels and it belongs to a GIANT ;^)
Doug
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 10:12 AM iamkeith wrote:
> 4. Counter-balancing this, I think small-diameter tires on big frame (mine
> is a 60cm) look
Keith, very nice AR, i’m another who prefers 26” wheels. Steve
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 1:12 PM iamkeith wrote:
> I've mentioned numerous times before that my All Rounder somehow remains
> my go-to bike, no matter how many other road-ish bikes I acquire. I'm
> really not entirely sure why, be
Pretty much what Joe said here, early RBW Waterford/Starck/Goodrich bikes
generally only had seat stay mounts if that. My '99 Starck RS only has
dropout eyelets. Very little about the current long chainstay, non-drop
bar offerings relates at all to the early(ish) day designs. I would say
really
Hi,
Well that is interesting. I had the impression they hadn’t done the rack mounts
earlier, from the conversations I had with them when placing my order. Perhaps
it was a rare request back then.
Anyways - I am happy the mounts are more or less standard now a days, they are
so useful!
That gre
I wonder when Nitto introduced the flexible strut mounts (Mark’s rack) vs.
the rigid struts of the rack on Robert Tilleys AR. The 700 c AR that I had
came with the same rack as Roberts. Bruce Gordon’s mid rack mounts were not
compatible with that Nitto rack. Steve
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:22 AM G
My recollection from one of the early Readers was that Grant felt that
p-clamps worked just fine, and they didn't lock you into a single type of
racks/fenders/what have you. A big part of the Riv philosophy is that
these frames can be used for a long time and are not encumbered by fashion.
As
My recollection from one of the early Readers was that Grant felt that
p-clamps worked just fine, and they offered more flexibility. A big part
of the Riv philosophy is that these frames can be used for a long time and
are not encumbered by fashion. As others have noted, all racks are
differe
I could see that being a conversation in 2001. By the time I was drawing up
my custom in 2019 Rivs had been running the Mark's Rack location for so
long that when I specified "the mid-fork braze-ons" Grant knew what I
meant. If I'd wanted something different to match traditional low-rider
racks
When I ordered my custom Riv I requested mounts for a front rack. Grant stated it was tough to place the braze-ons since each rack has unique attachment points. We settled on a location that works with the Nitto mini rack. So maybe Grant feels p-clamps are able to work around various rack mounting
Long wheelbase: I've ridden a bunch of both, they're both good but my
custom is a longbike cuz it's MAGIC.
What Grant's opinion was 20-25 years ago: has changed on a bunch of stuff.
The first iteration of Atlantis didn't come with mid-fork mounts, now just
about everything from the company doe
Hello all.
I don't have an All Rounder, but I do have the first generation Waterford
built Rivendell Mountain. Those first generation Rivendell Road, Allrounder
and Mountain offered several options when ordering. Rack mount placement,
Headtube extention, cream painted accent headtube, etc. I r
I’d be curious to hear what sort of justification Grant had for claiming that p-clamps were superior to actual mid-fork braze ons. To me, a fixed mounting point seems like a secure no-brainer… less fiddly bits, no unsightly black rubber, and it looks so much cleaner.But then again, it wouldn’t surp
Hi m f, welcome! Congrats on the bike. Regarding your question: It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special request to not have them?It’s not totally unusual for Rivs, particularly early-ish ones, t
My Joe Stark '99 All-Rounder has rack mounts on the fork blades. Was it maybe
just that Curt had not yet done rack mounts on the fork blades for Rivs at that
point?cheers,Andrew in Sydney
On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:02:02 AM GMT+11, James Valiensi
wrote:
Hi,When I ordered my cu
Hi,
When I ordered my custom Rivendell in 2002 I requested rack mounts on the fork
blades. They hadn’t done this before. I had to send a drawing showing what I
wanted. They agreed and Curt Goodrich made my frame. Joe Stark was supposed to
be my builder, but he went of the reversvation before he
The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise,
but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design
that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting
with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the
more
Hi Sean,
I had a an early Waterford A/R which was ordered in 1994 and I recieved it
in 1995 (Burnt orange with gray flannel). One of the best bikes I owned and
the one bike I wish I would've kept. In fact, I have a Nobilette built
Rivendell influenced by that A/R w/700c wheels, which reminds
I own an All Rounder. I also own a Saluki (pre-homer), a Ramboiillet, a
Quickbeam, a Susie Longbolts (which replaced a Clem H), an XO-1, an RB-1, a
late 90s Ibis Hakkaluggi, and more mountain bikes than possibly makes sense
- including some that have been converted to road-ish bikes. Guess whi
In terms of lineage, the A/R was the refinement of the XO from the
Bridgestone era, and begat the Atlantis.
http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_allrounder.jpg
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
- J
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:03:32 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
> Wh
What Addison said!
In my mind, it's like the little black Chanel cocktail dress...a classic
that never really goes out of style. Think of Audrey Hepburn in *Breakfast
at Tiffany's.*
But of course, I too appreciate Riv's current offerings. Of course I'm
keeping my 1997 Waterford-built AR. If I
Thanks for the replies so far, wonderful stuff, this is exactly the sort of
discussion I was hoping for. Unsurprisingly, the consensus so far seems to
be what I thought from the start, a great bike, but less 'refined' than
current Rivs, in the sense that Grant is always tweaking and making thing
I did not own and All Rounder but did have an Atlantis from the first
batch. It was a beautiful bike and a pleasure to ride, but was a bit
harsher than I would have liked. Maybe it would ride better loaded but I
never rode it that way. I much prefer the ride of the Rosco Bubbe I have
now. I thi
Sean asked a few questions regarding the All-Rounder. I have not owned
one, but I know the Bridgestone and Riv history pretty well and know Grant
pretty well. Sean's questions were:
1. I'm curious (about why it's a Holy Grail bike for several), is it
simply the fact that they're rare and har
I have not personally owned an all-rounder. But in general interest of bike
development and history. It seemed that the design lineage came loosely
from elements of the randonneur bikes (roadish geometry with 650b wider
tires) Grant - being a thoughtful individual, adopted the design to
contemp
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