[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-25 Thread tarik saleh
Right, Good point John, I had forgotten about that. I looked up the original thread. I said then: Thats a nasty thing to have happen. This: """1. Rake added to decrease trail """ might be unrelated to your failure, but sure voids the crap out of most warantees. I think most likely it was a

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-25 Thread John McMurry
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Joe Szokoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can you show me something like this in steel?? > > >http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=/photos/2008/news/nov08/... On Nov 24, 4:05 pm, "tarik saleh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, > > http://greenblatt.sm

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread David Estes
I was "Just Riding Along" when... On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:42 PM, rob markwardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > What's JRA? > > Rob "I broke a spoke once" Markwardt > > > > > -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread rob markwardt
What's JRA? Rob "I broke a spoke once" Markwardt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread tarik saleh
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Steven Sweedler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tarik and all, I will stick my neck out and say steel is the most readily > repaired material common in bicycles. I don't think that was under discussion. It is a very easy repair. Tarik -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksa

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Steven Sweedler
Tarik and all, I will stick my neck out and say steel is the most readily repaired material common in bicycles. I had the same break as being discussed and had it repaired within an hour in very rural southwestern New Hampshire, on a Sunday morning no less. That was seven years ago and I rode that

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread tarik saleh
Doug Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: """ The possibility of a catastrophic failure exists with any material. The probability of a catastrophic failure is lowest with steel. I say: Sure, but not low enough to be smug. Doug also wrote; """ Many of the recent posts on this topic have ack

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Mike
I spoke with Keven at Rivendell earlier today and they'll get the frame repaired in a timely manner and I'll be able to get it painted a new color for a reduced fee. I'm also going to get some mid-fork braze- ons for a Mark's rack. Now I just need to strip the frame and get it on the brown pony ba

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I can top this. JRA on our new to us Orbit tandem (531C!! Wag the dog!!), my ex wife and I braked to avoid a little bastard on the wrong sida the road. Steerer snapped just above crown, we spilled, me over bar, ex over me. No serious damage except some lovely bruises on my upper legs, but it probab

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Doug Peterson
Don't forget to floss your freewheel teeth, too! -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Halasz Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:09 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation! If

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Chris Halasz
If frame inspection sounds too technical, or too much like work, or like a task eventually leading to disaster ... Way back when we used to race, we were told a clean bike is a well functioning bike. That is, wiping it down now and then will bring the eye closer to an aging cable, worn brake pads

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Doug Peterson
Tarik: The possibility of a catastrophic failure exists with any material. The probability of a catastrophic failure is lowest with steel. dougP Tarik warns: "...you should not be so confident that crap like that will never happen to you because you are on a steel bike. Tarik On Mon,

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Doug Peterson
The truth is that Steel frames break ALL THE TIME. I worked at a steel frame builder for many years and saw hundreds of broken frames come through the door for repair, most were not crash damage. -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com a

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Joe Szokoli
Tarik, Hardly the same, steerer tubes break on all types of frames, but you will be hard pressed to find a simpler mid-fork blade failure especially, if you disregard any forks with braze-ons. Bicycle Manufactures are not playing with a full deck when it comes to carbon fork and frame design, and

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Sean Whelan
racing frames of 1979 than to a Rambouillet. Sean --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Joe Szokoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Joe Szokoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation! To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:12 PM Tarik

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread tarik saleh
Sure, http://greenblatt.smugmug.com/gallery/4369627_VBaPB#367598179_7xqDb-XL-LB Thats a JRA failure, not a crash. The fork just separated while riding. Is that similar enough? I think that is a kogswell that was made at a same plant where surly/soma make there stuff, possibly others more germane

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Joe Szokoli
Tarik, Can you show me something like this in steel?? http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=/photos/2008/news/nov08/nov22news/DSC_0021 smug and self-congratulatory, -- Joe Szokoli New York City --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you a

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread tarik saleh
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:29 AM, tarik saleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The right attitude is exactly what David said, Mike is a frame > breaking animal and it should be a point of pride. Ride it, break it, > fix it, ride it. > > Tarik > i should have added "inspect it". The nice part about

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread tarik saleh
> Grant wrote > > "...once in a while a frame breaks. Statistically it is inevitable. It > is a drag to have it aired, but so be it..." Mike said: > Oh man, the purpose of the original post wasn't to air any perceived > short comings of a Rivendell bicycle. As pointed out, this stuff just > happ

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "...once in a while a frame breaks. Statistically it is inevitable. It > is a drag to have it aired, but so be it..." > > Oh man, the purpose of the original post wasn't to air any perceived > short comings of a Rivendell bicycle

[RBW] Re: Impeding Ram Reincarnation!

2008-11-24 Thread David Faller
Mike, I don't think anyone who reads these posts will be dissuaded from their allegiance to Rivendell. If fact, it was a great tale and we all learned that karmic forces are uncannily reliable. We also were reminded, despite the aggrandizement of our steel bikes, that "parts is parts" and that