Now this is an interesting collection of "over my heads."
Speaking of being ridden away from by people 20 years older than you, a
friend who just did his 3rd Santa Fe Century (he is 63 or 64 and *very* fit)
told me that women in the 70s do the entire 107 mile route in less time
than he, and nope,
Late to the party here - but I think getting in over your head is one of
the most exciting things about life.
I find myself getting in over my head at nearly every opportunity.
I've been on club rides where guys twenty years older than me rode away
from me going uphill, and downhill!
I've ridd
Now that we've pretty thoroughly hijacked this blog thread: Patrick, if
you've been building your own cassettes for 20 years, where have you been
able to purchase individual cogs (and spacers) in order to assemble your
own desired combination? Everything I've noticed when removing cassettes
f
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On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 9:58:59 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
> I've been home-building cassettes for 20 years at least after I got
> sufficiently frustrated with s
I've been home-building cassettes for 20 years at least after I got
sufficiently frustrated with stock combinations; in friction (and even
indexed) they have shifted fine. I agree about 11 sp chains; at least, I'm
using an 11 on my (custom, built with Miche cogs) 10 sp cassette and I've
never had b
I used a hybrid 2X crossover/half stepped 7 sp (half-stepped the middle 5,
13 outer with 48/92" for downhills, 32 inner with 45/35" for climbing) for
a while that worked very well (Kelly Take-Offs were the perfect shifter),
but there was a big jump to the 35" low gear. Riv content: 1995 Riv c
It was frustration with duplicate gears that drove me to riding fixed
drivetrains.
Seriously, I used to spend a great deal of time calculating gear charts
(good way to while away boring staff meetings). Even with close-ratio
crossover triples there were always annoying (conceptually annoying if no
Lol, Ted, I’m sorry! I’m sure it was the walk of shame for you after that chain dropped. And the paint!!! Those pedals are Spank Oozy pedals, anodized in a teal color. I dearly love them, and they have weathered well.On May 19, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Ted Durant wrote:On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:16:38
It’s good to hear that people like their 1x - Grant talked about it in his
blog and he didn’t have the praise for it I was expecting.
He's never tried 1x with an 11s friction shifter. :-)
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If you go way back to the 5-6 speed freewheel cassette days, the typical
bike was a 10 speed (really 8 speed since you can't go big/big or
small/small). It stands to reason once cassettes got to 11s, you didn't
really need the front derailleur/shifter any more as long as your low
gears/high gears w
No, my remarks bear only on the question whether setting up fds to shift
well and actually shifting them is inherently difficult, particularly with
small granny rings. The thrust of the discussion was: "I ditched my fd and
found life much easier." And this with regard to granny rings in
particular.
> 24/38/48 was default gearing for triples back in the 7 and 8 speed days;
> well, perhaps 24/36/46 was more typical but I used the former with no
> problem.
>
> My question was: Do wide (11-12-13 cog) cassettes with the wider chain
> angles tend to throw chains off of the grannies in triple ring s
24/38/48 was default gearing for triples back in the 7 and 8 speed days;
well, perhaps 24/36/46 was more typical but I used the former with no
problem.
My question was: Do wide (11-12-13 cog) cassettes with the wider chain
angles tend to throw chains off of the grannies in triple ring setups? But
I am not a hardcore 1x advocate but both of my bikes are setup that way and
for me personally it just works well. I get the gearing that works for me
in a super simple package.
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:16:00 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Could ever wider cassettes contribute to thro
Oops. I meant to write that 2x is much more reliable than 3x. My 2x
drivetrain almost never gets into trouble.
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 3:15 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪) wrote:
>
>> Could ever wider cassettes contribute to throwing chains off chainrings?
>>
>> The transition to 1x includes a narrow wide chain
>
>
> Could ever wider cassettes contribute to throwing chains off chainrings?
>
> The transition to 1x includes a narrow wide chainring and a rear
derailleur clutch so chains don't come off chainring. It works. And yes, 2X
are much more reliable than 1x. But the default Shimano/SRAM gearing
doesn'
Maybe I simply don't shift aggressively, but like Laing I never had
problems with wide-range 2X compact front setups and even triples back in
the 7-speed days seemed to shift fine in and out of the granny with a
little care; at any rate, that's what you did if you wanted to get up a
steep hill, and
Are modern FDs really that bad / hard to adjust? i learned to ride a 2x5
> drivetrain (Schwinn Suburban) in 1969. That bike weighed 38 lbs, but it
> always shifted just fine. I rode 2x and 3x with only Campagnolo Nuovo
> Record FDs from 1972 to 2002, never a problem (maybe a Suntour Cyclone in
> th
They probably aren’t that hard to adjust. I just couldn’t get the hang of it. I actually like 2x9 gearing and may try it again at some point.DougSent from my iPhoneOn May 19, 2023, at 6:01 PM, lconley wrote:Are modern FDs really that bad / hard to adjust? i learned to ride a 2x5 drivetrain (Schwi
Are modern FDs really that bad / hard to adjust? i learned to ride a 2x5
drivetrain (Schwinn Suburban) in 1969. That bike weighed 38 lbs, but it
always shifted just fine. I rode 2x and 3x with only Campagnolo Nuovo
Record FDs from 1972 to 2002, never a problem (maybe a Suntour Cyclone in
there
I just changed my Clem to 1x and it’s been great. I could never adjust the FD and finally had enough. DougSent from my iPhoneOn May 19, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:I’ve got 1x on my other Platypus! It’s really nice to have both types of gearing. I don’t know that I really drop my red b
I’ve got 1x on my other Platypus! It’s really nice to have both types of gearing. I don’t know that I really drop my red bike’s chain but I have done it many times on my Clem. I wish that thing was 1x…It’s good to hear that people like their 1x - Grant talked about it in his blog and he didn’t have
>
>
> Actually, it took me a full year to get the front derailer on one of my
> bikes to shift without drama, and I've been wrenching personally and
> professionally for 50 years. On a lovely gravel road in Maine, I had just
> just passed a couple of young women on horses and started up a hill.
> F
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:16:38 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Fine, I thought, I guess I’ll actually use the granny gear - you know the
small cog in the front? I have only ever used that in Vegas on Killer Hill.
I’d never dreamed of using it on a club ride for fear that the chain w
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 6:57 AM Johnny Alien
wrote:
> It's interesting that you see them having numbness problems. I have all
> upright bars now because they work for me but I have found that none of
> them really give the number of hand positions that a really nice drop bar
> (or albastache) has
It's interesting that you see them having numbness problems. I have all
upright bars now because they work for me but I have found that none of
them really give the number of hand positions that a really nice drop bar
(or albastache) has. I know that the concept of hand positions are there
but
I remember when I was pickup w/a shell camping traveling out West from Ohio
and spent a few days to rest and ride in Utah with my sister and her
husband I'll call JE who own/runs a local bike shop and a quite strong
rider, or so I read and heard. It's not like I had ever ridden with him
before,
Do your ride - your own way - on your bike. You know I only ride my
Betty. I ride w/plenty of carbon fiber, Ti bikes. I don't like to go that
fast so I usually don't do group road rides. I don't want to be going fast
w/people who I'm not familiar with or a route I'm not familiar with. I'v
Aw, thanks, Jason!
Everything you say is true about the challenges of riding an upright bike.
I have thought about drop bars but I’ve never used them and I don’t think I
want to, even if they help. I see the other riders shaking the numbness out
of their hands and I just don’t think I could ge
You look fantastic, Jock. Just plain *fit. * Kudos and bravo and all that
stuff. I love your description of happy country rides, lost in your
thoughts. I am going to try to squeeze one of those in tomorrow. But guess
what I’m doing after that? I got talked into brining my Platypus to an
intro t
Rich, ha! This pretty much sums it up, doesn’t it?! Thanks for finding this.
L
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 12:11:37 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:
> Dear Leah,
>
> Kudos to you for participating and then hanging with a group of gofasters;
> something I don't have a desire to do. I have begun taking p
Ted, You’re lucky to have found a riding partner that matches your rhythm.
Hang on to that friendship!
Our club is pretty strict about obeying traffic rules and being polite. We
had one guy complain about a group of us on a ride saying that the group
was 3 wide. It went right to the club presid
Worthy question, but it all depends upon what one means by "getting in over
your head." My honest answer to that would be "yes" during the mid-70's
when I attempted to compete in what was then known back then as "Cat. 4"
amateur racing. This was when I was in my mid-20's and I attempted to
co
Ok, George, very good, but the question remains: Have you ever gotten in over your head? Or did you read all the books…LeahSent from my iPhoneOn May 17, 2023, at 3:25 PM, George Schick wrote:I'm old, old, and old enough to have used Eugene Sloane's "Complete Book of Bicycling" as my guide into se
Perhaps American usage is different. In any event, it's of little
importance since the important thing is the way of pedaling. And you may be
right about riding the hooks in pacelines.
http://www.perfectcondition.ltd.uk/Articles/honking/Honking.htm
https://www.sportsdefinitions.com/cycling/honk/
Patrick - as far as I know, "honking" may have been used for either seated
or standing positions, but the way I recall Sloane describing it, it
consisted of placing one's hands on the flat bar tops. It's difficult to
imagine hands in that position when standing on the pedals.
Also, in paceline
I generally agree with George's information, only "honking" means standing
and pushing hard on the pedals, usually uphill. I think it's an old British
term. Also, I don't think that you use the hooks for drafting, tho' I
confess that my knowledge here is gained from reading, since I have never
ridd
I'm old, old, and old enough to have used Eugene Sloane's "Complete Book of
Bicycling" as my guide into serious cycling back in the early '70's. In
his book he goes through great pains, including photos, to explain the five
or so hand positions available to a cyclist riding with standard drop r
Late to the conversation - great story-telling as always, and highly
relatable Leah! I have certainly been there, although maybe not entirely
by surprise in my case. I ride with friends who have very fast, lightweight
bikes and I'm never totally sure how much to blame my bike vs. my legs, but
That's a funny story. Long ago my then-wife/now ex-wife decided to try out
the Spinning (tm) class at the nearby gym. Her only cycling experience was
about 25 miles total on our 2 tandems (on the first of which -- wholly
inappropriate lightweight 531C Orbit racing tandem that wagged like a dog
unde
My comical "getting in over my head" story is not a cycling story, but I
think it still has familiar emotions
My wife is an avid flamenco afficionado. She takes classes multiple times
per week, attends shows almost every weekend, and savors the Spanish, Gypsy
and North African cultural streams
On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:36:22 AM UTC-5 Jay LePree wrote:
I think this is exacerbated by the growth of Swift, etc. Riders have
increasingly big engines, but not the riding skills to harness them safely
in a group ride.
That's been a subject of conversation at the pro level, where p
In addition to all that has been said, I find gearing can make a huge
difference. I've geared each of my bikes for a different style of riding.
My Atlantis is geared for loaded touring and currently has 50mm tires for
off pavement capability. It has lower gears and bigger steps between gears
Leah's true sufferfest may have been reduced tolerance to the over
necessity of all the "go-fast" gear, the seeming standard issue of the
average bicyclist, while under the duress of her 10/10ths performance. The
interesting part is that she did more on that ride than the rest. All their
stiffe
Leah - It is Jersey Jay. Platypus owner via Analogue. It seems that while
the ride was unpleasant, you did keep up, which is quite impressive. I am
approach my 56th trip around the sun in Dec, and about 15 years ago, much
attibutable to what you experienced, I stopped my group rides. It is t
Hehe, this is my secret plan for if I'm ever on a Leah group ride: a hidden
motor in the downtube 🙃
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:39:39 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just realized that I forgot to mention the easiest way to keep up: I
> converted my wife's Cheviot into an ebike.
> https:
I just realized that I forgot to mention the easiest way to keep up: I
converted my wife's Cheviot into an
ebike. https://blog.piaw.net/2020/12/installation-review-swytch-e-bike.html
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
> On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:13:53 PM UTC-5 Bic
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:13:53 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
Have you ever gotten in over your head?
Well, Leah, if you'd really been in over your head you'd have drowned :-)
Sounds to me like, even though it was a harder effort you are used to, you
performed quite well. That's
Leah,
I would LOVE to do a Clem ride. I wish geography wasn't a barrier but if we
can get a few Clem riders in the same location that would be a blast! For
the record, I was even riding a carbon road bike while being pushed up
hill. Yes, it was humbling. lol
Doug
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 4:3
The Cheviot's my wife's bike, so it was just that once. I ride the triplet
or my custom touring bike for club rides.
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:54 PM Leah Peterson
wrote:
> Piaw, no way! This is so amusing. I would have LOVED a photo.
>
> Do you ever ride your Cheviot on club rides or just that o
Piaw, no way! This is so amusing. I would have LOVED a photo. Do you ever ride your Cheviot on club rides or just that once?Sent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Piaw Na wrote:When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him organized by the Bicycle Outfitter.
Thanks, Brian and Joe! Everything I do scares me now. It’s my new thing. Keeps me humble and makes for some funny chitchat here.Sent from my iPhoneOn May 16, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Piaw Na wrote:When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him organized by the Bicycle Outfitt
When Grant Petersen was visiting the south bay, we went on a ride with him
organized by the Bicycle Outfitter. My girlfriend and I was on a tandem,
and of course we weren't keeping up. So he rode up to us and started
pushing us with his hand on my girlfriend's back. Then Mark rode up and
started he
Doug, I laughed out loud. The guy pushing you! 😂 It’s so humbling, right? We need to organize a Clem ride, which is where we’d be right at home. We’d call it a Clems With Nothing To Prove Ride. The terror of trying and failing to keep up at high speeds would be but a distant memory.Sent from my iPh
What about a Platypus with aero bars? Worked for Greg LeMond. In a color to
match that lovely -- mauve purple? I'm slightly color blind in the red
spectrum (but I still insist that it's lovely).
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:31 PM Leah Peterson
wrote:
> I would also like to see a video of my sufferi
Weight is secondary to aerodynamics. At 15mph, more than half the energy
goes into overcoming air resistance, and that goes up with the cube of the
speed from there.
On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:31 PM Leah Peterson
wrote:
> I would also like to see a video of my suffering. And handlebar streamers
>
I would also like to see a video of my suffering. And handlebar streamers and white basket will be forthcoming. I wondered why I wasn’t faster in the downhill, too. I’m thinking it’s because though my bike is heavier, my bodyweight is less than theirs. I’m hard for the women to keep up with on the
I was on a group ride with a fast rider years ago and tried to keep up but
could not. As I'm on his rear wheel and giving my last bit of effort not to
drop off the rider behind me screams "don't let him drop you!". My heart
and lungs just didn't have another gear so he did drop me. On another da
I'd love to see a video of Leah suffering on the Platypus with handlbar
streamers and white straw basket to keep up with the fast boys on carbon
fiber. But good job, says someone whose fast days are long gone.
But Leah ought to be winner on the downhills. Long ago, as a spritely early
50-something
"Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone."
Haha, from what I've seen over the years getting out of the comfort zone is
Leah's comfort zone 💪😁
Joe Bernard
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:18:00 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way
Sounds like you crushed it Leah! Way to get out of your comfort zone.
Brian
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:57:11 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
> And climbing, at least the steeper hills. At least, I find a very
> noticeable difference in ease of climbing on my lightest bike (18 lb, 76”
> gear)
And climbing, at least the steeper hills. At least, I find a very noticeable
difference in ease of climbing on my lightest bike (18 lb, 76” gear) and my
heaviest with road tires — tires that roll as well as those on the lightest
bike (32 lb, derailleur gears).
But with good tires and an aero tu
I once rode the Cheviot with the bike club when my wife and kids refused to
keep riding after the lunch stop. I was surprised that I was fast enough to
keep up with the fast riders. If you want to go fast, there are a few
things that the Cheviot does that makes it harder:
1. If you're not u
It's always worth the effort to try something new.
On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:47:59 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
> Leah, I'm impressed by how you have found ways to make the Platypus work
> on fast group rides - even if it is a bit more work. Your observation about
> momentum is apt and the way yo
Leah, I'm impressed by how you have found ways to make the Platypus work on
fast group rides - even if it is a bit more work. Your observation about
momentum is apt and the way you've adjusted to maintain it is great.
Julian's point about the riding position is valid and your Billie bars
allow
The answer is yes, but not recently. The upcoming North Carolina Riv Ride
will be a challenge - no hills to practice on in south Florida.
Note that you can still do an aero tuck even on a flat bar Platypus - its
is kind of awkward, your hands are sort of beside your shoulders, or you
can put yo
Leah,
Riding position and bike weight (and wheel weight) are a big part of it --
a lot less of a sail at speed compared to your Platypus. Lots of
relatively cheap "classic" vintage 1980s-1990s steel bikes with
performance like the Roadeo out there -- perhaps look for one near you to
try wit
Leah,
In answer to your question, yes, indeed. The most similar was about 16
years ago -- new to town, showed up to a club "ice cream" ride -- to me
that meant casual ride with a stop for ice cream -- but at the time that
particular ride was a fast paced 15 miles out to eat ice cream, then 15
Grant would have to make a mixte version! I have wondered about it, Julian. How much faster would a Roadeo be, I wonder? And what makes it so?Sent from my iPhoneOn May 15, 2023, at 9:30 PM, Julian Westerhout wrote:Leah, Perhaps a Roadeo is in your future ;) Julian WesterhoutBloomington,
Leah,
Perhaps a Roadeo is in your future ;)
Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL
On Monday, May 15, 2023 at 8:13:53 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
> I just want to talk bikes. I don’t have anything to post FS or WTB…I just
> want to tell Riv people this dumb story that happe
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